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"Max, I hope you're not working under the short sighted pretense that the "civil war", which is really the ol' timey Sunni/Shiite war with rebranded new terminology, can somehow be described as a bi-product of our military action in Iraq. "

Only in it's timing. I don't think it would probably be happening right now, and what would be happening would be in some ways worse and in some ways better. What we did was open the gate and then sit in front of it. I don't think we caused it, but, and here's my main point, I honestly, sincerely don't think we can do anything positive about it. think any side we lend any help to is immediately tainted by it, and I think we muddy already really muddy waters doing shit like torturing people, saying we were going to tear down Ahbu Graib and then deciding we'll give it to a government that hasn't even been formed yet and generally killing a lot of people. I'm with Murtha on this one. I do not see the up side of our being on the ground in Iraq.