[mburbank]

First of all, it's nice to see that Naldo has not been so demoralized by Vince stealing his local loony boy thunder that he didn't jump like a thumped knee when provoked.

"He doesn't really care about the "liberation" of the Iraqi people, and he likewise knows that Iraq has never posed a real security threat to us. All he knows is that this war coming to a quick end aids his Party. That's his concern."
-Spaad

"That is such crap. You are just disappointed because it is clear that you were all wrong about how this thing would turn out."
-Naldo

I fear you are both wrong. Sspad, Naldo is a true believer. As to the "liberation" of the Iraqi people, I don't think that's very much of an issue for Nalds, but it isn't a non-issue. And I fully believe naldo thought that Iraq was armed to the teeth with WMD and instants away from using it or giving it away. I also think that's a really dumb ass thing to think, but no contradiction there at all.

And Naldo, you also are wrong. Your reading of how we thought things would 'turn out' is questionable at best, since at least MY primary concern is the global suffering the success of our current policy may engender, all of which is yet to be determined. And even your esteemed infallible leader W doesn't think the War is over yet, and said as much as recently as this morning. Again, who's wrong, you or him?

Kevin, I also beg to differ (aren't I contrary this A.M?) I don't think this War will be over for very long time,. We'll just call it something different. Pockets of resistnce, mopping up, intifadah, isolated acts of terrorism. We will control Iraq, but only with a military presence, and there will suicide bombings and snipers, who we will 'root out', there will be collateral damage inspioring more terrorism. In Israel the 'war' ended long ago, and yet it goes on.

On a final note to you, Nalds; Here's major way you and I differ. If Bush was proved right, a free democracy installed in Iraq that spread nonviolently to other middle East countries (and by some miracle the majority Shiite populations decided that as long as they could win elections they'd stop being anti-american and fundamentalists zealots) I would be very happpy, and would be very pleased to find myself wrong. If however, the situation dissintegrates, countries are destabalized, terrorsim increases, civil rights disintigrate you will strap on horse blinders, yell CONSPIRACY until your throat bleeds, happily purchase a brown shirt and blame your joblessness, lack of health benefits and crushing poverty on Liberals.