[kahljorn]

"How do you still fail to see that government is our gun to our head?"

I do see that, and that's exactly why I don't support philosophies that want to put more bullets in the gun.

"Yet you disagreed with me that the goal of any governmental effort is the gain of power, that any effort of many men over one or any man over another is an exertion based in transition of power."

I didn't disagree that that was the current goal of government (hence why I kept calling it "Present"), I disagreed that any idealized form of government shouldn't be interested in the aquisition of power. There may be some inate power there, but the primary purpose should be delegation of power, not outright aquisition and collection of it through any corrupt means.
When you do that, you get corrupt science, religion, economics and whatever else.
If you were just saying that the government is corrupt than I just misunderstood you the whole time and I agree with you. I just had this idea in mind that you were discussing your personal feelings of how government should be ran, especially when you started talking about how business and government should be seperate entities, because our current government is nothing like that at all.

Basically what I was saying is that the strive for power/money is the leading cause of corruption.