[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by Geggy

First off, the security prior to and on 9/11 is too methodical to be considered a failure. I envy you for thinking that because I want to believe it was a failure but there are overwhelming evidence that contradicts the failure theory.

Where is it? All of the so-called evidence you've presented has been bitch slapped.

Have you ever heard of a monday morning quarterback? It's really easy, after 9/11, to look back and say "OMG, HOW DID WE MISS THAT, CONSPIRACY!@1"

It wasn't that respective agencies weren't doing their jobs. A big problem was that they weren't talking to each other. We hadn't been attacked on the continental U.S. since 1812, Geggy. Pearl Harbor was an attack on a military base, on an island, not a civilian center.

I think you also aren't taking into account the barbarism involved in the attack. Prior to 9/11, who would've imagined such an attack? (and before you start foaming at the mouth about Bin Laden's attack memo, keep in mind that intelligence agencies are hammered every day with those things, all of which have degrees of truthiness and veracity).

btw, what's your opinion on the Patriot Act?

And not a single officials from intelligence agencies has been fired, instead got promotions and awarded with medals, how do you explain that?

Yeah, becasue if you were the masterminds of a conspiracy, the FIRST thing you'd do is publicly reward your co-conspirators.

We completely revamped our security agencies, Geggy. We took Joe Lieberman's advice and created a department of Homeland Security (which I'm sure you oppose 100%, b/c you're a reactionary Bush hater).

The FBI, taking the heat to heart, initiated several changes:

http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL32336.html#_1_7

Organizational Changes

The FBI is restructuring to support an integrated intelligence program. The FBI director has also created new intelligence-related positions and entities at FBI Headquarters and across its 56 field offices to improve its intelligence capacity.

New Position of Executive Assistant Director for Intelligence (EAD-I) and the Office of Intelligence. As part of his effort to centralize control, Director Mueller established a new position -- the EAD-I. (30) The EAD-I manages a single intelligence program across the FBI's four investigative/operational divisions -- counterterrorism, counterintelligence, criminal, and cyber. Previously, each division controlled and managed its own intelligence program. To emphasize its new and enhanced priority, the Director also elevated intelligence from program support to full program status, and established a new Office of Intelligence (OI). The OI is responsible for implementing an integrated FBI-wide intelligence strategy, developing an intelligence analyst career path, and ensuring that intelligence is appropriately shared within the FBI as well as with other federal agencies. (31) The Office also is charged with improving strategic analysis, implementing an intelligence requirements and collection regime, and ensuring that the FBI's intelligence policies are implemented. Finally, the office oversees the FBI's participation in the Terrorist Threat Integration Center (TTIC). (32)

The OI, headed by an Assistant Director who reports to the EAD-I, is comprised of six units: (1) Career Intelligence (works to develop career paths for intelligence analysts), (2) Strategic Analysis (provides strategic analyses to senior level FBI executives), (3) Oversight (oversees field intelligence groups), (4) Intelligence Requirements and Collection Management (establishes and implements procedures to manage the FBI intelligence process), (5) Administrative Support, and (6) Executive Support. (33)

New Field Office Intelligence Groups. The FBI has established field intelligence groups in each of its 56 field offices to raise the priority of intelligence and ultimately to drive collection, analysis and dissemination at the local level. Each field intelligence group is responsible for managing, executing and coordinating their local intelligence resources in a manner which is consistent with national priorities. (34) A field intelligence group is comprised of intelligence analysts, (35) who conduct largely tactical analyses; special agents, who are responsible for intelligence collection; and reports officers, a newly created position. (36) Reports officers are expected to play a key role by sifting raw, unevaluated intelligence and determining to whom it should be disseminated within the FBI and other federal agencies for further processing.

With regard to counterintelligence, which is any intelligence about the capabilities, intent, and operations of foreign intelligence services, or those individuals or organizations operating on behalf of foreign powers, working against the U.S., the FBI has established six field demonstration projects led by experienced FBI retirees. These teams are responsible for assessing intelligence capabilities at six individual field offices and making recommendations to correct deficiencies. (37)

New National (and More Regional) Joint Terrorism Task Force (s). In July 2002, the FBI established a National Joint Terrorism Task Force (NJTTF), which coordinates its nation-wide network of 84 Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs). (38) The NJTTF also coordinates closely with the FBI's newly established Counterterrorism Watch, a 24-hour operations center, which is responsible for tracking terrorist threats and disseminating information about them to the JTTFs, to the Department of Homeland Security's Homeland Security Operations Center and, indirectly, to state and local law enforcement. CT Watch is located at the FBI's 24-hour Strategic Intelligence Operations Center (SIOC). (39) With respect to regional JTTFs, the Bureau has increased their number from 66 to 84, and the number of state and local participants has more than quadrupled -- from 534 to over 2,300, according to the FBI.

The fact that you think no changes were made, or no accountability was encouraged simply because department heads weren't fired, proves that you're not genuinely interested in these agencies doing things better. You instead have nothing more than a pedantic interest in bashing the Bush administration.

You've got every single thing you've said about me totally backwards. You dont think bush deserves a bashing from time to time because of the corruption and incompetence? And I'm anti american because I'm bashing bush for destroying this country?

How has he destroyed the country, Geggy?

I think Bush deserves a lot of legitimate criticism. Which is why people like you have no place in that debate.

I'm pissed off for to 9/11 victims because not a single suspect has yet been brought to justice.

What the hell are you talking about? The hijackers are dead, btw. Moussaoui was convicted, but he was just set up by the U.S. government and not-Osama Bin Laden, right?

I could cite several links about Al Qaeda arrests and killings made all around the globe since 9/11. We gave them a serious blow to their infrastructure while invading Afghanistan. The recent bombing in Pakistan killed high level Al Qaeda operatives. I'm not going to go to the trouble of citing too much, becasue it's a wasted effort on you. You'll simply bounce around it like Daffey Duck.

How is it anti semtic to think that the number of dead in the holocaust was revised to 6 million for political gain? What does holocaust have to do with 9/11?

You're an anti-semite.