[kahljorn]

No offense and I'm sure you guys don't believe what you're saying completely but you guys are fucking stupid. Regardless of if there's God or evolution our actions still have an effect and THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT-- CAUSE AND EFFECT. How can you guys forget simple shit like that? If you want a functioning society you have to behave in a certain manner. the fucking end. I'll still address what you say but regardless of if there's a god or evolution if everyone in the world acted like a fucking dick nothing would work.

"then why should our actions be neccesarily one way, and not the other? "

Because if you kill everyone in the world everyone in the world will be dead and there will be no society and really our functioning would diminish. maybe that answer is only obvious to me because I'm absolutely insane or something but to me it seems like reality and all I really care about is reality because if it's unrealistic and has nothing to do with reality than it will never effect me and why should I care, right?

"There was no reason we are the way we are"

Just because we don't necessarily understand it doesn't mean there's no reason, there's obviously some distinction between reptiles and mammals that we obviously share which makes us "Higher" than reptiles. Most of it has to do with community and a social enviroment, and I'm willing to bet it's that very same structure that brought us about through whatever manner of "luck". It's just like "odds" when you're gambling, some games have high chances to win and high pay off, and there's good reasons for it(Some games intrinisically have better odds of winning, I'm saying some species, in some circumstances, intrinsically have a higher chance of survival and are thus SUPERIOR). There's good reasons why we, and our ancestors, survived. You guys may think it's an unintelligent system, but the very meaning of the word intelligent has to do with being able to adapt to situations.
Evolution is also a process of survival or whatever you want to call it. I know you guys think that's unlucky or meaningless but when it comes down to REALITY(yet again) that's the only way it could've worked out unless there's a magical god to pick what would work best where.

"Basically what I'm saying is that evolution doesn't provide for 'the heart of humanity'."

Who cares if evolution provides it? you're acting like evolution is God now, EVOLUTION DOESNT HAVE FEELINGS, it didn't pick it's best friends to make the "top of the food chain". HUMANS PROVIDE IT. That's the point, and I'd dare to say it's also the point of Richard Dawkins memetics. That's why I said, "From the heart of humanity" and not, "From the heart of evolution". BECAUSE IT FUCKING COMES FROM HUMANITY NOT EVOLUTION. Humanity may be the effect of evolution, but evolution and humans aren't the same thing. I'm sure I don't need to explain that statement.

And also obviously evolution favors socially motivated species because mammals are generally considered the most sophisticated and complex systems(there's entire sciences like sociology and psychology dedicated to just that singular aspect of mammals), with a better chance of survival than many other creatures. Mammals have the most complex brains and most complex psychology, which means they are MORE INTELLIGENT. I just wanted to throw that last statement out, it really has no value except at face.

"I am not a Christian."

Sorry, what are you? and regardless of if you're christian the point that religion has caused pedophilian rapists(which is IMMORAL) is still valid.

"If humans aren't neccesary, then human morality can't be neccesary either, that's what I'm saying."

Another issue of reality? Regardless of the "Truth" of that statement, human morality is necessary to humans(and obviously human society).

PS I just went wine testing.