Shame on me for responding to this instead of Cowardly Dog, who actually wants to engage in some dialogue....but....
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Originally Posted by kahljorn
There's actually a recorded history of african people being referred to as "Hamites" and/or "Cushites". In fact if I remember correctly that's how they were anthropologically classified for quite some time.
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Goodie. Maybe you should start a thread about the African slave trade so you can actually be on topic.
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Originally Posted by kahljorn
"True Jews don't view skin color the way you're implying."
You know, I seriously couldn't resist this. So what makes a "True jew"? Are you a "True Jew"? Is it possible some of the "Fake Jews" are the ones who made that excuse and looked at skin color or whatever?
Not that I'm saying they did or anything, who knows, the conflict could've had more to do politics and religion which is completely understandabl. BLAHBLAHBLAH NON SEQUITOR STONER WHO DOESN'T READ NEWSPAPERS DRIBBLE.....I don't think anyone implied anything about skin color being the reason they were enslaved or killed, just that the verse itself has been used as justification for their slavery. The True excuse is because it COMES FROM THE BIBLE, FROM GOD not because of their skin color.
Dense asshole.
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Erm, still lobbying for the scatalogical poster of the year award? Who the fuck are you even talking about? Palestinians, Black Africans or Canaanites? Gergemites maybe? Pick one. See, I'm thinking you're the dense one....you won't find anything about the curse of Ham on any Orthodox "Ask the Rabbi" websites, because it's not mainstream Judaism. There's some supposition attributed to the Babylonian Talmud, and we know the Canaanites were doomed at the hands of Jews - but the rest is a lot of crossed wires and conflicting history/accounts/fables. We can talk about some confused cracker ass Jews, and all the cases of the Old Testament being perverted through history, but in this case it's more of a blood libel then an accurate reflection of any Judaic teachings. Your claim that "jews and many other groups considered the curse of ham to be about black people" implies the roots of Black slavery are Judaic, which is illogical since true Jews don't view skin color that way.