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Originally Posted by kahljorn
Okay I think we are having some linguistic difficulties here.
Accusations don't require a well written and well thought out plan behind them. All accusations require is that somebody is perceived of doing wrong and somebody publically announces it. That's an accusation. The well thought out and well written parts come 'after' that when people try to prove their accusation is correct.
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And yet, things seemed a bit hazy when it came to the actual accusations, didn't it? I saw a lot of quoting, and a lot of citations, and a lot of THERE'S A CONSPIRACY HERE, and the actual accusations became muddled. Therefore, simply and concisely expressing what you think happened will help you
make the accusation and get your point across. I requested that he do this, he did, and I fail to see the problem.
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Originally Posted by kahljorn
Secondly let's get to what a Discrepancy actually is:
"an instance of difference or inconsistency" So if we had TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF A STORY, like with your JFK story, then that's discrepancy.
Here's some examples of discrepancies in the 9/11 conspiracy theory case:
GOVERNMENT CLAIMS ONE THING EVERYBODY ELSE CLAIMS SOMETHING ELSE. DISCREPANCY.
WITNESSES CLAIM ONE THING GOVERNMENT CLAIMS ANOTHER.
EXPLOSIONS AND OTHER EVENTS SURROUNDING 9/11 MAKE IT SEEM LIKE A PLANNED OUT ATTACK ON OUR SIDE RATHER THAN A SLIP UP ON DEFENSE LIKE THE GOVERNMENT SAID.
OH LOOK GUYS THAT WASNT A PLANE THAT FLEW BY MY HEAD AND HIT THE BUILDING IT SOUNDED LIKE A MISSILE NOT LIKE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT SAID.
THERES EVIDENCE MISSING HERE THAT MAKES US THINK IT'S A CONSPIRACY
What are those all examples of?
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And did they have any logical basis? I didn't know, all I saw was a bunch of quotes, and very little arguments previously made by the poster himself.
Hell, I can quote people who insist that Elvis is alive, and yet that contradicts what 'The Man' says.
I did not just merely ask for discrepencies. I asked for "patterns, things that I [could] pinpoint." You can dig up any amount of discrepencies that you want, but they have to be enough to stand on it's own. Which brings me to the next point..
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Okay.. but that doesn'tmean it's the only type of discrepancy in the world. It just means that it's the type of discrepancy powerful enough to change somebody's mind, and who knows if it's even "Valid" then, just because they are SUPPOSEDLY neutral and got outraged? That's not proof, nor does it do anyone any good unless you just like to lead people by their emotional nostrils.
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HE was trying to convince OTHER PEOPLE. The discrepencies he brings up had damn well better be powerful enough to change people's minds, or else he doesn't have a strong argument, doesn't have enough back up, and is quite possibly wrong.
And who said anything about proof? Once again, my biggest problem was that he seemed to be parroting flimsy information, and I asked that he clarify and back up his position. And if you personally think that it's pointless to convince other people to see the 'truth', then I guess that's why Geggy was talking about the 9/11 conspiracy theory, and not you.
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Originally Posted by kahljorn
I'm going to repost this from my last post:
Some people find bigger, more substantial discrepencies and people think they are smarter and closer to the truth, but really everybody is just trying to fill in the blanks, that, for some reason, the people whom are responsible won't fill in; that is the greatest DISCREPANCY of all conspiracies.[
IF the government filled in the "Blanks" there would be no "Discrepancies", instead they leave discrepancies behind, thus inciting people to point them out and wonder. That in itself isn't necessarily a sign of guilt, but moreover it isn't a sign of any type of proof or evidence to the truth of what happened. Regardless of what holes there are, except for a few smart people, most people are still shooting in the dark at what really happened.
The government not filling in the holes is a type of discrepancy.
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Then I'll just repost this from MY last post:
"Far too many conspiracy theories mention irregularities that are merely suspicious, and means that the government
is lying... but only if you felt that way in the first place."