[Grislygus]

Originally Posted by kahljorn

I just think it's funny you guys play fringe cowboys with conspiracy theories like you're fighting some uphill battle.

Uphill battle? The only thing I asked from Geggy was his own, solid opinion, he gave it, and the conversation between him and myself was closed. I was convinced that he was a capable individual who knew what he was talking about.

Since then, the only "battle" on my part involved you not liking requests to back up arguments. All of my subsequent comments have been directed at you, and it is your arguments that I currently have a problem with.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"Far too many conspiracy theories mention irregularities that are merely suspicious, and means that the government is lying... but only if you felt that way in the first place"

But I don't feel that way at all

I noticed.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

and as a reasonable person I find the lack of information involved in something that started a war and is responsible for the current political atmosphere unreasonable. I also find all the recent news about how the administration has been lying and falsifying reports to us indicative of some type of "conspiracy" or a "pattern of discrepancy". Obviously the government was lying, about what I'm not making any real claims.

Exactly. You aren't making any real claims, you don't have any real idea of what's going on. You are merely suspicious of the government, and think the government is lying just because it's the government. Therefore, you rely on more intelligent 9/11 theorists like Geggy to provide real arguments, and rise to their defense if someone has the audacity to question them.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

but you guys continue to argue vague notions of reality like "Opinion".

No, YOU continue to argue about opinions, because YOUR opinion is vague at best. You will notice that Geggy had absolutely no problem posting his opinion. Because, unlike you, he has a solid, legitimate opinion.

And I've got news for you, my half-baked friend: If you're a conspiracy theorist on the internet, you have only two things; facts, and your opinion based on those facts.

" The discrepencies he brings up had damn well better be powerful enough to change people's minds, or else he doesn't have a strong argument, doesn't have enough back up, and is quite possibly wrong. "

You can have a strong argument and people will still disagree with you if they are naturally predisposed to disagree with you, infact usually people will disagree MORE SO if they are naturally predisposed.

So is that why you have a problem with opinions?

Why do you expect him to have a wealth of information on an issue that the fundamental issue is the lack of conclusive information.
None of that really would make it right or wrong anyway, just because people are convinced you're right doesn't make it right. Remember when bush won the election BUT LOOK WHERE WE ARE NOW in fact sometimes whats right might be the last thing people want.

One: I DON'T expect him to have a "wealth of information". Haven't you been paying any attention at all? ALL HE DID was offer a wealth of information from OTHER PEOPLE, and I asked that he give his own opinion. WHICH HE DID ADMIRABLY. You had a problem with it because you don't know what you're talking about.

And if you really feel that talking about your theories won't do any good, then feel free to keep quiet.

You guys are crazy, first you ask for his opinion to verify what he's saying then you say the conspiracy theory might be wrong because he can't state his opinion about somebody else's conspiracy theory.

Allright, let's go over this scenario. Again.

"You guys are crazy, first you ask for his opinion to verify what he's saying"
Point A: We ask him to provide his own opinion.

then you say the conspiracy theory might be wrong because he can't state his opinion about somebody else's conspiracy theory.
Point B: He provides other people's opinions. We once again ask him to provide his own

The request is clarified, he gives his own opinion on one aspect of the attacks.

Why do you have a problem with this?