All your other questions are irrelevant untill we know what happened. I think it's war...and before you try and turn this into a moral argument, let's work on getting the factual argument laid down first. Haaretz was wrong about Kana, the Beach Blasts, and Jenin amongst other stories....but I guess I'll have to remember that Israel's press is suddenly beyond error. It's a free press, with agendas and ties to various political partys, and I've never ever represented Israel's Press as anything but. While it's more credible then say, Al Jazeera, they do print their share of nuttiness - most of which Americans never latch on to. Notice I'm not ruling out the possibility that there's truth to certain accusations against Israel, but for goodness sakes, how credible are these reports if the Haaretz article is STILL the prime source, and nobody has verified it? Now you want me to prove it didn't happen? Well there are tons of stories coming out as fact that didn't happen (like the double bombing of an ambulance, that is complete fiction) .... so thanks to Hezbolla and a sensationalist corrupt media, you have to prove a crime DID happened...that used to be called responsible journalism. There is no more benefit of the doubt. How many times can you cry wolf and then try to test us with questions of morals? People are STILL claiming Jenin was a massacre. The Arab leadership in the region makes policy decisions on what will make Israel look bad, not what's best for their people. Frankly, you're lucky Lebanon wasn't turned "back to the stone ages" like people were claiming. It's cute how you're trying to engage me in conversation all of a sudden, but I think you're trying to have a different conversation then I am. You've concluded that Israel's defense puts it in a "two wrongs don't make a right" category. In that case, it doesn't really matter if they used clusters or not, now does it?
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But that the existence of israel is in and of itself a war crime and ergo it should not exist? Citizens? And you know them to be employees of Haaretz and Israeli unniversities? Not just a few loose canons, but 'many'?
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Yup, that's all correct. The names are too many to mention. You can add "elected officials sitting in parliament" to that list of Israeli citizens who call for the States destruction and will coroborate any accusation you level against Israel, even the fictionalized ones. When you consider these people continue to hold residency in Israel, it's pretty clear they're just psychotic. Why are they even there then?
As a side story, I have some cousins who are currently living in an illegal outpost near the Arab village of Abu Gosh - which is near Jerusalem. It's conquered territory, taken from Jordan. So they're in this secluded villa and as long as they pay a fine to Israel they're allowed to stay, though technically the State has ruled it illegal for them to be there. Why do I mention all this? Because their father is incredibly active in Peace Now. It's total hypocrisy. Somewhere along the way, Israel became a dumping ground for crazy Americans and Australians with some very twisted self hating politics.