[kahljorn]

"Umm, I started out by saying you had hit upon the most relevant point to be made so far in this discussion. I just said that in a mean way to even out the compliment. "

thanks.

"Does that mean you want to expand the definition of peace to include only sunny days where everybody gets a lollipop like Grislygus?"

not really id like to keep it from getting that far like i said that's more of a human-societal ideal than anything. Still, war and violence can exist in more forms than politically motivated slaughter, and even politically motivated violence can exist in forms other than war. I pretty much feel we agree on this like we do on most topics...

" I think war is on the road to being proven impractical as a means to any end."

You know I have to disagree with you on this. Maybe in the modern world it is impractical as a means to any end, but in most other time periods war played important roles in thefoundations of various empires and their legacies which still touch the world. I'm writing a documentary. If you removed war from the history of the world things would be much different. Whether we're talking idealogical wars or physical ones it doesn't really make a difference, wars are not impractical as a means to acheive an end.