[Abcdxxxx]

Originally Posted by ranxer

well Abcdx, i was wearing the button where there was a servant class hidden and waiting on the elite with religious overtones (a rare occurance for me) and wasnt aware that many saw the statement of nimn as isreali! i was wearing it to protest how our taxes are being used and our rights being obliterated to wage the war(on iraq).. i didnt mean to bring up isreal at all and thus was taken by surprise to find that people thought i was 'anti-isreal' from it.

NIMN stands for Not In My Name, am I correct? The organization exists solely to oppose what they see as Israeli occupation. It's a decidely anti-Israel group run by Jews of some sort. Are you making the assertion that Israel is to blame for war on Iraq?

i had absolutly no thoughts about isreal related to nimn when i came across that button. and i say zionists but am still not sure what the hell those folks were.
i realized after that i should have 'not in our name' to be more correct to the trademarking of slogans on the net and who knows where else or what for others are using the slogans.
www.notinourname.net

Were you wearing a NION or a NIMN badge? Two different organizations with confusing names. Can you clarify?

but if you think that having empathy for folks that have very little and are up against a wall and worse by a powerful nation that is armed to the teeth is supporting terrorists then i really have no interest in reading yer words about it.

okay assuming you're not working under some false impression that Jews are all a people of privledge and power, then one could turn what you just described and rephrase it this way.... Jews have "very little (only 2% of middle eastern land) and are up against a wall and a worse (or an ocean and a lot of enemies) by a poweful nation (or a league of powerful arab nations that already cleansed their populations of Jews) that is armed to the teeth, is supporting terrorists, then I really have no interest in read yer words about it".

truly many of the 'terrorist' groups only have terrorist elements in them, as kevin is describing them as social groups in a large part is what ive read/heard as well.

Hamas and others play huge parts in their communities, but their existance are based around terrorist activities. You don't have to believe me...believe THEM. It's in their charters, and all over their statements of purpose. Sure they help the children, but they also indoctrinate them with hatred and conduct suicide bomber camps. Is it really a trade off ? You really feel confident in calling militant groups that take public credit for mass homocides "community groups" because they do good deeds too? The Klan used to hold really good bake sales, but they were still the Klan.

but, i'd much rather listen to many varied people from the region than discuss what i think is right or wrong about it

Good idea. Except I sense you already have an aversion to this thing called Zionism though, and a predetermined nature to dissent from any government power structure to side with "the people" no matter who or what they're about. So with that bias I'd be shocked if you could actually read anything pro-Israel with an open mind.