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Originally Posted by The_Rorschach
I agree, but the double standard which seems to exists almost makes me sympathetic to so-called 'white supremacists.' Almost. It seems that if you're white, you have to admit to being a sexist, narrowminded bigot, or else you are seen as a closet racist. You have to apologize for 'institutionalized racisms' and acts committed by men who died four generations ago, or else you're a hate monger. Our liberal media constantly cites the cause of various civic problems as a lack of white initiative to correct past misdeed, asking whites to be more responsible, and everyone else, to be less. They take one thing, and call it something else, in order to alleviate the personal responsibilities of individuals. It's not crime, its poverty. Whatever.
This is an entirely seperate issue, and has nothing - I repeat nothing- to do with conservatism as an ideology. Italian is right to rip you a new asshole on this issue.
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This is exactly the kind of thing that I was talking about when talking about the "victim" mindset. This discrimination becomes part of the white supremacist's identity. It becomes something that they use to fuel their beliefs. As you said, it has nothing to do with conservatism. As I never said it did.
I'm going to try to rephrase this, in what I hope is a more accessible description:
There are people, who I know I have come across, hopefully you have too, that when the issue of tax (increase, decrease, whatever) comes up, immediately turn their focus on what is being taken from them. There are people who immediately focus on Welfare, whether or not that is even an issue. People who say things like, "these people don't deserve my hard-earned money," "these people are just looking for a hand-out," when the fact of the matter is, welfare might not even be an issue with the tax issue in question. These are the people that I do not think are concerned with being self-sufficient. These are the people that turn themselves into victims.
Now here are the generalizations that I saw in this point-of-view:
first, there are so many more reasons for and aspects to being a republican/conservative. To try and say that this is the only reason why someone holds a group of beliefs doesn't really hold up, and I knew it would not hold up here.
Secondly, it would be easy to say that there are liberals who chose their point of view on the workings of the government because they feel as if they have been wronged. There are people who would rather complain about the station of life that they were born into, or their own financial mishandlings, than do anything about. There are people who actually DO look for handouts. Would you disagree with this?
So honestly, is it so outrageous for me to believe that there are people out there whose views on taxation are influenced if not formed by a feeling of being victimized?