[The_voice_of_reason]

Well it is nice to see two well supported but opposing viewpoints. Your problem is the traditional black or white when the answer is sitting next to me in the gray. Maybe the victim mindset is rooted so deep that it is not apparent to those who have, like everyone in this discusion.

What i want to know is why don't "conservatives" and "liberals" see that maybe they were mistaken and their ideas should change. both sides make good points so let's put away the knives and find the answer, right here in the middle.