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Originally Posted by VinceZeb

For the people that think the government could do health care well: Wow. If you do not realize that government will fuck up a 2 car funeral, then there is something wrong with you.

Or, if the government will hypothetically fuck up a two car funeral, maybe there's something wrong with the government. Apparently, this is the same government you turn to to "protect the rights of the citzens, to protect our borders, and to help the country in dire situations." Do you trust them not to fuck up in these matters?

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

If the government starts dolling out free medicine, medicine prices will rise becuase people will start demanding whatever they want, becuase they do not "pay" for it.

Now, I'm not a US resident, but you folks worth with doctor's prescriptions just as we do, right? Or can you just waltz into any pharmacist's and demand 400 doses of the most powerful painkiller they've got in stock? Free healthcare would not mean medicine is a free-for-all. You'd get your money back for the drugs that a doctor says, in writing, you need. Something against the common cold would be yours to pay for. If you'd want medicine usage down to put the prospective costs of free healthcare down, maybe it would be sensible to tell doctors not to throw around descriptions for painkillers and antidepressants like it's confetti. It's really not a healthy situation anymore when any kid before the age of 12 can name at least a dozen kinds of legal brain drugs. I am of course sketching a caricature of the situation here, but I do believe leashing doctors a little would do a lot to bring down overal medical costs.

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

Healthcare is not a right. Sorry, folks, but you have the "right" of life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness and property. Those are the rights you are born with. Healthcare, no matter how much the Hildabeast sits there and screams about it, is not something you should have for being human. Our ancestors didn't, so why the fuck should it be required for me?

You also have the right to safety. To a certain degree, protection from physical harm, and the right to clean living conditions. Yes, to a certain extent, you have the right to good health. I'm not saying that the government needs to hold your hand and guide you through life as a bubble-boy. But healthcare in the hands of the government could make for a much more stable service than having it based on individuals. It's not rocket science. It's not a two car funeral. It's setting up a system that pays people back their legal prescriptions, or subsidizing pharmacists and hospitals (more). Your comment about ancestors is, as always, very amusing. Be sure to take down a bear for me this weekend, or there'll be no eatin'.