[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by ItalianStereotype

what do you want me to say Kevin? I think the fact that I am willing to engage in rational debates and discussions on these boards speaks for which brand of consevatism I favor. the only conservative like that here would be Vince, I'm sure he would even call Rush a pink, godless, commie, child molester if he "stepped out of line."

Well, no offense Eye Tie, but I don't think being fair, intelligent, and reasonable has anything to necessarily do with your conservatism, it just makes you all of the aforementioned things.

I think the real premise of this commentary is does this administration, full of Neo-conservative ideologues, represent true conservatism? It mentions Safire and Will, and there are others. From personal experience, just on my former college campus, there was a split between two factions: The College Republicans, and those who considered themselves to be true conservatives, not just Party yes-men. It was a result of several things, one of them being the war.

So, the real question isn't are conservatives nice people, but I guess, are modern Republicans (mainly the hierarchy) reflective of true conservatism? I realize that both of the 2 main parties claim to be "big tent" parties, so what do you think? Do you feel that perhaps like the Democratic Party, maybe the Republican Party is having identity issues at the top? And if so, why does it seem like most Republicans have no difficulty in coalescing with the leadership's agenda?

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

IS, no one asked for your third rate opinion. So, please, dont give it.

Now this is a lark. I would say that Eye Tie is a rare breed of conservative, but then I'd be lying. I know many intelligent people, much like Eye Tie, who have a firm grasp on history, politics, and philosophy that enables them to eloquently defend and champion their conservatism. Eye Tie falls in there, as does Rorschach. You, well, you just don't.

It's funny to see a liberal talking about what a real conservative is.

Why not? Do you not proclaim nearly every day to know what's wrong with these Liberals you so detest? Republican pundits from spin groups like the AEI do it all of the time. Ann Coulter sells books about it.

Also, one doesn't need to hold an appeal to any philosophy or ideology in order to know it and understand it. I studied it in college, it doesn't mean I need to be it. Can you follow, or do we need to pull out the "Common Sense for Dummies" volume???

I have my faults with the Bush administration,

Sure ya do, "yes man."

and I love a good debate.

I know. You're very good at running around in self-congratulatory circles with yourself.

But this writer is just mad becuase "confusing" a liberal only involves telling them the truth

I think most modern "Liberals" realize that they're not the kind of liberals in the Wealth of Nations sense. I've never known one to claim otherwise. This is a much more honest approach than the faux conservatism you espouse, clambake.