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Old Jun 26th, 2003, 06:21 PM       
"Wrong. I did quite an essay on him in college."

An essay hardly makes you a authority on his life and deeds. Spending a week writing a ten page report, an another hour years later casting about online does not make you a legitimate source of information.

"Sugarcoat it in altruism if you like but it was an act of simple self-interest."

Stating facts in perspective of the reality from which they were born is not sugarcoating. In regards to self interest, everyone acts out of consideration to themselves; Even adhering to one's own philosophy of altruism can be viewed as an act of self-interest.

"The government doesn't let major coporations go under if they can help it. They would have (and actually DID to a degree) bailed him out if it would have come to that. "

Yes, I'm sure Hoover and Roosevelt had enough funds to save Ford Industry's if they went under. After all, after the Public Works Program and the debt of World War 1, the lack of European reparations and the inability of citizens domestically to pay their taxes in full, our national treasury had TONS of liquidatable funds. The aide which he recieved barely salvaged his corporation, had he done anything differently, even the government could not have kept his business afloat.

"Controlling civil unrest is the function of the police and, if necessary, the state militia ... NOT hired thugs."

Tell that to the citizens slain at the Haymarket revolt. I'm sure they fully appreciated the mitilia and police handling things. Considering that was still a pronounced fear, and only a couple decades past, I think Ford's scabs saved a few lives in truth.

"Yeah, I know."

Do you? There is a difference between a book and paper Nimrod.

"I brought up the paper because that had the most longevity of the two."

Nice clean up. Why not mention them both? Are your sausage-like finger incapable of typing for extended periods of time? Did your X-Box call your attentions from the other room?

"Why am I not surprised? Being the benevolent soul you paint him to be, I would have thought that any form of bigotry would have tarnished your image of him."

Bigotry I can tolerate, everyone is entitle to their own opinion. He was not, however, a racist. There is a fine line between the two. He, like Teddy Roosevelt before him, viewed other races along an evolutionary line of ascendancy. Are you in favour of censor for those whom disagree with you? I wonder then what Freedom really means to you. . .No, actually I don't. You've made your attitude quite clear in the past.

"I applaud the concessions he had to make in order to stay in business in a country that built and supported his business."

No you don't. Your statement is as sincere as it truthful. He was rich enough to retire in relative luxory, especially in the hell bent thirty's were even a little cash was considered a fortune. He had no need to keep his company afloat, in truth, he could have done substantially better if he had closed his plants down.

"It must have been rough for him. By the way, take a look at this link and show me where you see Ford being a "big wheel" in aeronautics manufacturing."

Your link is meaningless. Pick up a copy of "Autobiography of Values" by Charles Lindbergh. Most of it is relatively worthless, a hallow attempt at self aggrandizement by a once emminant man whom the world forgot, but on historical notation, it does hold some value.

You attempt to paint Ford as some sort of villain because he held views, which were not abnormal for the period, that we now question and managed to make himself wealthy is trvial and smallminded. 'If wealthy man abused their good fortune, or the needy sought to penalize them, both groups would be buried in the crash of common disaster.' Ford can hardly have been said to have abused his station or wealth. You, like no many other mindless peons, work tirelessly to destory the rich because you are not one of them. Your jealousy is as transparent and impotent as your supposed intellect. You, Kelly, are a mediocre, middle classed peasant incapable of rising above your station, your pretenses to the contrary are delightful in as much as they are tragically amusing.

"If anything, they may have been a player in developing the tri-motors for the B-24's .... not really THAT much of impact as your trying to imply."

He's responsible for more than that, but really, go back to your Big Mac and and Empty V, I'll not bother you with the facts any longer. If you'd had an interest, you would have investigated them long before now.

I'm not your teacher.
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