[kellychaos]

So screw the unions in trying to make a better workplace and standard of living for their members, right?

Ford came onto the scene when monopolies and some of things they did with their "liberties" came to a close. Unfortunately for Mr. Ford (and other industry leaders), his influence came at a time when people who were sick of some of the abuses to which they were being subjected. I believe in the spirit of the union in the beginning. I think that it's become a big bureaucratic mess that's lost it's way nowadays. I'm not a fan of "big government" or socialism as you keep trying to say. I just don't think you have an adequate feel for how bad things were back then for the workers and how badly unions were needed to keep some of the abuses in check ... not necessarily (indeed, not mostly) from Mr. Ford. All I was saying was that prior to the union's solidification, some government intervention might have been necessary. I'll just leave at this: Ford did some good things. Ford did some bad things.