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"Countries like Britain that were reluctant to join the EU feared a loss of control - of their destiny and culture. "


Repeat that five times and realize you should have stopped there. Could you be any more cliche? Oh "the Berlin Wall", oh "that's what Hitler said". We're talking about Turkey...and we're talking about immigration issues with the EU right????? Seems to me my argument was to downplay the issues of race in the fears of the EU, but then you argue that it's very much about race, and start claiming my arguments ethnocentric. Say what? I'm not sure when this became about me expressing MY "paternal, Euro-male dominated viewpoint". I don't recall expressing these fears as my own at any point. Get a grip. Really, who are you kidding. The influx of immigrants from Arab league nations are not going to stay in Turkey are they? No they're heading for London and Paris. "Cultural warfare" is an often misused term co-opted by those you disdain, but it it's not a fictional concept. (Japan's a perfect example. Don't tell me they're not putting secret messages in those Sanrio toys).

How is anything Hitler said relevant here?? If we're specifically talking about the religious Islamic community then they (or the more outspoken of the bunch) have indeed declared their desires and plans to wage a war on a cultural lifestyle...haven't they? The history of Islam suggests an ability to go from minority to majority while wiping out advanced civilizations entirely in the process. When did the Jews and Gypsys (etc.) of Germany ever plan to do such a thing? Justify your comments.