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Old Jun 4th, 2010, 12:26 PM       
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I don't think I ever expressed an interest to get into that.
No you didnt. Its just people bitching about Israel being there in the first place is one of the arguments I hear most often. I simply wanted to address it and get it out of the way. And In that regard Im just saying they have as much right to be there as anyone else in the area. The difference between Israel and Sweden is that Sweden gets along with its neighbors. Hell I bet they all visit each others countries and respect and enjoy each others cultures. Israel isnt so fortunate to have such good neighbors.

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And the case Israel/Palestine isn't even that clear cut.
I quoted this because it is probably the most accurate and truthful thing that will be said in this entire thread.

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Also, most of you seem to only focus on how the acitivists reacted when boarded. Why are you not condemning the boarding itself - since when is it alright to attack a non-military ship on international waters and detain its passengers? Apart from the handguns that were allegedly stolen from the Israeli commandos, the ships carried food and medicine.
I dont condemn the boarding. In fact if it were my call to make I would have approved the boarding. Maybe in a slightly different way to try and avoid events such as the ones that took place but maybe thats just hindsight talking. I stand by this position because Gaza is a hot spot for violence and terrorism. For all the Israeli government knew this ship was trying to sneak in weapons and other military supplies in with the food and medical supplies. How are they to know? The only way is to search the ship. Given the nature of the situation in Gaza I really dont feel like they were out of line with conducting a search. Possibly the way they did it. They probably should have pulled up next to it in their own ship and loudly declared in multiple languages that they intended to search the ship and why. Informed the activists that they would be coming on board but had no intention of detaining them for long. If they had nothing to hide they shouldnt of had a problem with this.

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You seem to regard the Israeli soldiers as some sort of police force that was just doing their job, like when riot police cracks down on a bunch of football hooligans somewhere, and the civilians had better comply or suit themselves.
This isn't like that - this is a foreign military force attacking civilians, outside of their territory - civilians not even on their way to their territory but to a third-part land. Let's not forget that the global community, as well as UN, consider the blockade illegal and a war crime.
Israel doesnt really want anything to do with Gaza anymore. A few years ago they declared they were no longer running the joint and wanted all responsibility placed in the hands of the PLO. The UN and a few other people still consider it to be Israels responsibility though. So for the sake of the safety of its own people and because it is what the international community expect of it, they police the strip.

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If you want to provide Gaza with supplies, and refuse to let Israel dictate the premises, how would you go about?
If you are trying to get into Gaza but want to avoid Israeli interference you are probably smuggling weapons in and deserve to have you shit detained. As far as how I would do it? Probably go in through Egypt or something I dont know.

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When I hear Israel complain about how unfairly the rest of the world is treating them, it reminds of when certain colleagues find it unfair when their entire workplace hates them. If everyone thinks you suck, there's probably some truth in it, and you should probably start changing a bit.
If you think the whole world hates you and don't realise you're partly to blame, you're either subject to some really heavy propaganda, or a sociopath.
Do your work colleagues regularly announce how they want to kill you. Do they regularly kidnap your friends and family? Do they throw bricks in through the windows of your car and house? What if everyone at work hates you just because your of a different religion or race? Does that still place the blame in your lap?
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