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Old Nov 10th, 2009, 09:14 AM       
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No there was no unemployment in the USSR
http://ideas.repec.org/a/aea/aecrev/...i4p613-32.html
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means they didn't have to worry about not being able to make rent, or put food on the table
lol this doesn't sound anything like the USSR I've learned about (especially as far as food goes), but I'm sure you would know more about it than me. I always thought there was a lot of poverty there, but the people who are writing about communism act like its great for everybody.
Maybe it was different if you were one of the ethnic minorities?

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Personally you haven't experienced both. East Germans have.
Only a percentage of them. A lot of old people in our country think THA OLD WAYS ARE BEST.

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Karl Marx had never seen a "totalitarian communist government" so he couldn't give a criticism of it, but I'm sure he would understand that to be labeled such a thing would be a pretty big contradiction.
Karl Marx didn't see a communist or socialist government without totalitarianism either, yet he commented on them.
If i replace the word totalitarianism with authoritarianism will this be more obvious?

Karl Marx's magical transformation was basically described as this: SHITTHATISNOW(MAYBE CAPITALISM OR SOMETHING) -- TOTALITARIAN SOCIALISM -- NON TOTALITARIAN COMMUNISM.

here's something from wikipedia since i can't find much else without reading a bunch of crap..:
Historical periodisation

Marx considered that these socio-economic conflicts have historically manifested themselves as distinct stages (one transitional) of development in Western Europe.[11]
  1. Primitive Communism: as in co-operative tribal societies.
  2. Slave Society: a development of tribal progression to city-state; Aristocracy is born.
  3. Feudalism: aristocrats are the ruling class; merchants evolve into capitalists.
  4. Capitalism: capitalists are the ruling class, who create and employ the true working class.
  5. Dictatorship of the proletariat: workers gain class consciousness, and via proletarian revolution depose the capitalists to assume control of a socialist state.
  6. Communism: a classless and stateless society.
Short of magic its difficult to imagine a communist society without some form of totalitarianism. Everybody has to be obedient to the state and its laws and rules or it wont work. People can't choose their own job and choose to live beyond their means.
Really even in the classless and stateless society people are just going to have a form of self-inflicted authoritarianism.
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