[kahljorn]

Well, morality doesn't come from religion but from "God." Morality coming from God doesn't necessarily mean doing what God "tells" you, though. God created the universe in a "Certain way," and that would mean the universe contains within it what is good or bad which is dependent on the way God created it. I guess you could always ask if God could make bad good, though, and then you might think that the universe has an inherent order which makes the good things good.

I think the reason why people say you can't find morality outside of religion is because religion stipulates that God creates what is inherently right or wrong. It seems like atheism wouldn't have this, but can't atheists look at the universe and see whatever inherent order there is which makes good things good -- outside of God? If morality is derived from some pattern of the universe, there's no reason to assume they can't see that pattern outside of religion.