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Originally Posted by kahljorn

So somebody makes an argument that atheists can be moral and you attempt to argue that God exists?

No... the original question was from where could an atheist build a foundation of morality if not from God? I attempted to answer that, but the discussion was diverted into this. I think it's pretty interesting. Do you object?

Originally Posted by kahljorn

SO? What does that matter? IF EVERYTHING SUDDENLY CHANGED EVERYTHING WOULD SUDDENLY CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here you go again. What I said was that if anything changed even slightly everything we know would not be able to exist at all.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Isn't the idea of the Platonic forms kind of that there is an intrinsic form to existence which can't be deviated from? and that this form is underlying all existence, just by the fact that it exists?

I don't know.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

To use your physics example: Can you change any of the natural laws? Can you make "force" be not forceful? For example, if an extremely large and heavy boulder landed on your head, could it possibly have less force than the force of a feather which is extremely small and light dropping on your head? Or would it always have to be like that?
maybe there are just certain types of constants. But who says those constants are "God," or mean the same thing that God means to us?

i know im opening myself up for something about WHEN THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED IF THINGS WERE CREATED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY....

I already opened that up... you just missed it.

If so, nothing would exist.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

That's not necessarily true. And an interesting question is if it's even possible for things to not work in some sort of precision.

Are you just arguing with yourself?

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Why does someone have to be learning? What makes you think existing has any sort of point...?

For Physics to have evolved, that means it was subject to a process of trial and error, where an imperfect form of Physics was Darwinially outpaced by a more superior form until eventually our current model reigned supreme over all other lesser forms of Physics. Unfortunately, for Physics to be imperfect, the universe itself ceases to exist. If the force of gravity is .01 n/m off, the Big Bang can't happen, buddy.

There is no other Physics available. From the get go this is what existed. What are the chances of that happening randomly on the first go around?

Existence was intended, and intention always has a point.