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Old Mar 11th, 2009, 02:02 AM       
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Originally Posted by b_squared View Post
Thet have some good no pull collars available. some go around the muzzle and are alot gentler than the prong pinch type.
they really aren't, plus they have the added disadvantage of not being useful for training, since a dog will always try to fight them rather than becoming obedient
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