[Zhukov]

Zukhov: To even theorize that Yassin was a pacifist is insane.

Abcdex, get a grip. "Compared to a Tyranosaurus rex, the elephant is a mouse!" Do you get it?

He WAS Hamas

Killing him ended Hamas. Hamas is a collection of angry youth, not old preachers.

...and acted as a combatant...

Yeah, the PLO Wheelchair assault team.

Obviusly . the IDF exists like all national armies, to defend it's borders, it's purpose is not to "create terrorists" or "strangle it's people".

Like all capitalist armies, the IDF acts to defend the Israeli ruling class. It does this by creating a terrorist threat to legitimise the killing of personal freedoms.

At it's core the IDF is already a peoples army.

Just because they conscript every one they can get their hands on doesn't make it a "peoples army".

Hamas teaches sing alongs to four year olds, who aren't old enough to even comprehend the concept of "revenge" on their own, about killing Jews. Not Israelis, Jews.

"Palestinian “leaders” may spout death to all Jews and other rubbish..." beat you to it. Try another.

there were several Socialist Zionist parties, and some of them were actually Marxists.

Mate, if you believe that "the Socialist Revolution wasn't going to solve the needs of the Jewish Diaspora", you are no Marxist. The socialists and labour Zionist parties mirrored 'normal' Zionists, except that they used the workers movement to prevent the use of Arab labor, even for exploitation. Their objective was still usurpation.
ALOT of people have called themseves "Socialist" parties to gain favour. National Socialists anyone? PASOK in Greece? PSOE in Spain? To name some mentioned recently in headlines. Names mean nothing.
If you are going to say : "Israel and Zionism was initially founded on Socialist, and Communist principles..." Then you are going to have to show me those Socialist and Communist principles, because I still think 'the basic ideal that Zionism stemmed from was that anti-Semitism could only be eliminated by the creation of a Jewish state.' While Socialists would sympathise with the Jews at the time, I hardly see it as a "Socialist principle". Especialy when the old Zionist saying of “A land without a people for a people without a land” is so god damned ignorant.

Most of Israel's Settlements movements grew out of the Socialist party, which also gave way to the aptly named Labor political party, where every Prime Minister up till 1977 came out of. David Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, Moshe Sharett, Levi Eshkol, Golda Meir, Moshe Dayan, Abba Eban, Yitzhak Rabin, Shimon Peres and Ehud Barak all represented the Labor party.

Labor in Britain and Labor in Australia were both founded on Socalist principles. I can accept that labour and parties in Israel sprang from Socialist principles. But I can't see the same thing in Zionism unless you show me. I am asking for specific informaton here.

The intent of Zionism was to replace the indigenous population with a new settler community, the labor and socialist Zionists embraced the same idea.

Your whole Zionism=Socialist principles idea is really pointlss to the rest of the discussion, so if no specific information pops up, I'll just leave it.