Pram, I don't want your little real serious answer via PM, I am bored with trying to teach you anything at this point. I thought you finally got it but then you came back and proved that you in fact do not get it at all. So now you are just a toy, so when I say "how is it that you able to give a hand job but are unable to land one?" I expect you to either answer here seriously, or give one of your lame duck responses that Zug would give 'trophees' and 'smileys' to, either of which I can amuse myself and others by responding to. Your serious answer via PM is not what I want. Anyone else could have seen that by the facetious nature in which I asked the question.