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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 08:32 AM        Question gays? Get fired!
source: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32115

BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
Teacher suspended
for views on 'gays'
Statements not in class but attitude said to 'poison' environment

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A Christian public school teacher in Canada has been suspended for one month without pay for criticizing homosexuality in letters to a local newspaper.

Chris Kempling of Quesnel, British Columbia, was found guilty of unbecoming conduct late last year by the B.C. College of Teachers. The panel asserted his letters to the editor, a research paper and other correspondence contained "discriminatory and derogatory statements against homosexuals," the Vancouver Sun reported.


Teacher Chris Kempling (Vancouver Sun)

Though none of the statements in question were made in class, the panel said the writings indicated the veteran teacher's attitude could poison the class environment.

One letter cited by the panel said: "Gay people are seriously at risk, not because of heterosexual attitudes but because of their sexual behaviour, and I challenge the gay community to show some real evidence that they are trying to protect their own community members by making attempts to promote monogamous, long-lasting relationships to combat sexual addictions."

According to its rules, the teacher's panel does not need to find direct evidence of a poisoned school environment to determine that a member is guilty of conduct unbecoming. The panel said, "It is sufficient that an inference can be drawn as to the reasonable and probable consequences of the discriminatory comments of a teacher."

The teachers said they were disturbed by Kempling's statements that homosexual relationships are unstable, 'gay' sex poses health risks and many religions consider homosexuality immoral.

The suspension is set to begin on May 1, but Kempling said he will appeal to the B.C. Supreme Court on the grounds that the decision violates Canadian Charter of Rights protections of freedom of expression and religion.

The secondary school teacher and counselor said he will argue that no professional regulatory body has ever punished members for off-site conduct that had no demonstrable impact on their work, the Vancouver paper reported.

Kempling insists that a one-month suspension was particularly harsh since teachers convicted of threats, assault, theft and flashing have received only letters of reprimand.

The teachers panel had planned earlier to give him a five-month suspension because he had not demonstrated any remorse, Kempling said. However, he told the Sun he regrets some of his strident words and unkind language.

"But it's an important principle in the whole concept of free speech in our society that when a citizen feels strongly about a matter that they be able to present their arguments in a public forum . . . without having their employment put in jeopardy," he said. "Especially when no evidence whatsoever was ever presented that there was harm or impact on the job."

The panel argued the writings show Kempling doesn't accept the core values of the education system, "which recognize that homosexuals have a right to equality, personal dignity and respect."

John Dixon, president of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association, said earlier he did not think Kempling should lose his teaching position, but favored removing him as counselor because he favors his religious conscience over his professional duties.

"If there are gay students in that school – and you can bet your bottom dollar there are – they're going to keep their heads down and they certainly are not going to resort to Mr. Kempling for advice," he said.

Kempling said his Christian community has provided support, including $30,000 (Canadian) in donations.
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 09:57 AM       
I have no doubt the ACLU will be willing to take his case, as well they should.

You remember the ACLU, the one Bush senior hated so much he compared it to communism?

Not that I think this teacher needs to face any discipline (Letters of rebuttal should suffice) but you should read the article before you title it Vince. It should be "Question gays? Get a one months suspension without pay."
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 10:09 AM       
Can the ACLU get involved with Canadian affairs?
Just wondering.

Wow. I haven't used the "shift" key like this in a long time. Strange.
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 10:16 AM       
Probably not. Is there a CCLU?
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 10:19 AM       
i dunno. :/
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 10:55 AM       
There's a Human Rights board in the federal government that handles stuff like this. Except, they like gay people, and won't take too kindly to this guy's statements.
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 10:58 AM       
Do they like them, or do they LIKE them?
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 11:58 AM       
They LOVE them.
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 12:16 PM       
So, Max, the ACLU is going to get involved in Canadian affairs.

And who is the idiot?
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 12:18 PM        ACLU
Considering how much we like to interefere with the rest of the world it wouldn't surprise me.
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 12:35 PM       
NEXT THING YOU KNOW WE WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO BEAT ******S ON THE SCHOOL GROUNDS ANYMORE
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 12:58 PM       
Wow, Proto, that was really..... stupid/racists/childish. Take your pick.
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 01:00 PM       
HOW can you say that??

I went out with a black girl once! How DARE you accuse me of being racist!
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 01:04 PM        Damn
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 01:15 PM       
I happily admit my error.

NO WAIT! I was typing too fast!

NO WAIT! That mistake was due to a condition of hives.

NO WAIT! I have a letter proving I didn't do it, and I'll post it. I guess that shows you.

NO WAIT! My roomate thgrew it out.

NO WAIT! I threw it out. But I only admitted that on another message board so ytou don't know.

NO WAIT! You just didn't understnd what I was saying. I meant "If this had happened in America.

NO WAIT! I didn't proofread my post.


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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 01:26 PM       
Quesnel has 8000 people and if there are any gay kids there they would keep there mouth shut no matter what he said because it is a backwoods town. I spent a week there for a school trip when I was a teen. The are very kind hardworking people and I am sure that any parent that knew that there child was gay would protect them by home schooling or taking them outside this type of community. Suspending the teacher is one step but in reality its the mentality of a whole town that would have to change in order for any kind of gay exceptance. To most of them it just ain't right.
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 01:29 PM       
If a town chooses not to accept gays privately, then that is there right.... well, knowing how Canada has been lately, they may outlaw that as well....
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 01:33 PM       
"If a town chooses not to accept gays privately, then that is there right...."

C'mon Vince, aren't any of your old roomates conveniently Gay?
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 01:44 PM       
It's not a town's right to do anything on the grand scale of banning gays, even in the U.S.
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 01:48 PM       
But what if it's a private town owned by a large evil corporation? Like ZEBCORP or something?
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 01:50 PM       
Ah well, then the ZebCorp private schools would teach those gay people to not put their penises inside each other in the privacy of their own homes.
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 01:50 PM       
Canada doesn't have the same protections on speech that America does anyway.

They've already banned porn, we haven't. I'm guessing they can restrict hate speech as well.
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Old Apr 19th, 2003, 09:01 AM       
ZebCorp..... now that would be a company that would fucking rule.
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Old Apr 19th, 2003, 10:12 AM       
We still have lots of porn.
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Old Apr 19th, 2003, 10:17 AM       
So does Zebcorp. But they don't really like it. Well, tey do. Sort of. Their conflicted about it. The point is, it drives in traffic.
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