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Old Feb 12th, 2003, 01:17 PM       
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we're talking about the threat of a systematic cultural warfare. A strategical immigration movement can not be seen as anything but a threat
I'm sorry, are you saying that immigration into the EU is strategic? What is this, Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Its not like these folks are immigrating because its what their national governments told them to, and one day they're going to replace all the white people in one fell swoop.
And just what the hell is "cultural warfare"? More thai restaurants? The growth of knowledge about cultures beyond our own? Spouting things like "cultural warfare" has been a tool of the elites to raise up public opinion. "Cultural warfare" is what Hitler espoused when he was sending people to the death chamber. Sure - there are criminal organizations of non-whites in most major Judeo-Christian cities nowadays, but much of that stems from a repeated ghettoization by the majority, who is too busy hurling out "cultural warfare" to attend to the needs of an immigrant population that brings considerable skill to the table.
As for my Berlin wall analogy, if you were talking about culture, you should have specified yourself - you spoke that everyone "fears" change. Even if people fear "cultural change", broadly defined as a fundamental shift in the mores, practices and beliefs of a people, it does not discount the fact that change is coming, and the best thing you can do is adapt. Egypt has been constantly assailed by its position in Africa, the Mediterranean, and Islam. Still, it persists as distinct from all three. Any country that felt the brushstroke of colonization knows all too well the "cultural warfare" that the western powers inflicted on them. Making your comments as you do, you show the sort of paternal, euro-male-dominated viewpoint held by Mr. Kipling. If these cultures that enter into other countries are a threat to the well-being and prosperity of European culture, the existence of the EU is invalidated. Countries like Britain that were reluctant to join the EU feared a loss of control - of their destiny and culture. They joined anyway - because the economic benefits outweighed the fear of loss of culture. An area as particularly distinct as Europe - with such a tight conglomeration of language and custom - learned to work within their existing structures to allow for growth and change. To exclude people from participation in that framework is to marginalize and discriminate against them. You don't see waves of Belgians swimming across the channel - the freedom of movement the EU provides is a function of its liberal philosophy. And it works - more or less. And it will grow. And get better. And it will get better not only by changes in its original nations but by new ideas and concepts brought to it by its new nations. Change isn't always growth or progress, but if you design your system - hell, your individual life - around adaptation you've got a helluva better chance of surviving and growing from that.[/quote]
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