"We are God's sheep." wow, great analogy...

[Perndog]

Ok, you made me do it. Argument time.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

The points are "Valid" just like the Christian points are "Valid". If both are valid it indicates bias, which indicates Christian rhetoric. Which indicates me being bored. Which indicates me saying a post was boring.
How does not having sex have anything to do with ignorance? It just seems like a pointless statement, it doesnt say not to have sex AT ALL, it says not to go around laying every bitch you see. I wonder why. Plenty of aids out there now a days, plenty of teen pregnancies with children who get beat and are malnurished and then their mommies drown them and eat their souls...This is of course besides the fact that we have destroyed half the land of the world and depleted most natural resources. I WONDER WHY IT SAYS NOT TO GO AROUND AND FUCK EVERYTHING YOU SEE AND REPRODUCE LIKE RABBITS?
Point: invalid.

*BUZZ* WRONG. Christianity does not warn against "laying every bitch you see," it warns against any kind of sex other than for procreation (with your spouse) i.e. masturbation, oral sex, birth control, etc. By denying churchgoers' sexual desires and knowing they will either give in to temptation or become clergy (or both), the church lays a load of guilt on their shoulders and keeps them in line.

NEXT.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Other statement: Earthly values bad not being?
What have we seen from the love of earthly values and "Inferior" objects?
War over plots of land? For oil? Theft and murder? You want a tv, can't have one, so you go jack someone else? Why why why. Why I wonder why. I can't seem to decide why. I'm sure I could think of some more consequences of earthly desires, but I'm also sure you have the brain to muster up the musstering.
Point? INVALID.

*BUZZ* WRONG AGAIN. Having, admitting to, and nurturing earthly desires does NOT lead to fulfilling them in ways that are harmful to others. Everyone, Christian or not, is taught that stealing and killing are wrong, and if they grow up to steal and kill, it is not because they didn't go to church. Satanists are in the business of seeking carnal pleasure, but they get kicked out of the church if they do something blatantly illegal in the process. Christianity does not stop at making people good, law-abiding folk, it teaches that our bodies are dirty, that we must do only what is necessary to keep them healthy and concentrate our efforts on the spirit BECAUSE the mundane is inferior to the spiritual and by giving in to any mundane desire one separates himself from God. This adds more guilt for every time someone gives in to his cravings, and it keeps people low-maintenance by making them believe that they don't need anything but God to be happy.

I also never called him redundant, I called his views redundant of the Atheist rhetoric. I could call him redundant, though, because every post he has made has been against the practice of christianity in some fashion. Just because the church pussy whipped the people of the time using the "Good Book" doesn't mean it's this or that. They could've done it with any manner or tool, if you look through history it has been the reoccuring fact: people are controlled and led blindly. By one means or another. That does not include today's times, "democracy" doesn't mean jack shit, all it does is allow people to bitch about how things are.
Go ahead and think you're special because you live in america, though, that's their "Bible".

I like this point, however; very true. Personally, I admire the way the shepherds control the sheep, and I have long since stopped attacking them for that. I'm simply arguing here that they did and do; that should be painfully obvious and not really worth debate. I think the problem here is that an awful lot of atheists (like Brandon) have it in for Christianity because it is so prevalent and they think it's getting in their face all the time - they feel the need to stand up and strike out at it or else it will stomp all over them.

And I think a lot of them, particularly the younger ones, are a little sad because they don't have a religion of their own to identify with (though they'd never admit it).