"We are God's sheep." wow, great analogy...

[Perndog]

Goat: The practical defnition of orthodoxy is traditionalism. Orthodox is accepted practice, and orthodoxy is following that practice even after it has been discarded or modified by others (in this case, by conservative and Reformed Jews).

kahljorn: The fact that the church preaches something that its followers don't practice is only evidence that what they preach isn't the way things really ought to be; to put it succinctly, "Nothing that feels this good can be as evil as they make it out to be."

And I still think that the no sex rule is just another means of control: either a person will become so frustrated they will concentrate more and more on God and the church in order to quell their desire or they will succumb and then look to the church to assuage their guilt.

I wrote a lot more after this, but it wasn't really relevant. Nevermind. :/