daphne's and drumming's vegan thread

[Hobo Renee]

One would think the non-use of leather shoes and such would be an animal-rights argument, not a vegan\vegetarian one.

I can see where the parallels would be confusing, but I have yet to meet a vegan who went barefoot because shoes had leather in them. Perhaps that means the few vegans I know personally are hypocrites, but that's another matter.

As I was saying with my point on ethics, it's really up to the individual to decide what they are trying to stand for. But if someone is saying, yeah I'm vegan, and then eating something non-vegan, then they're just a liar.

The simple fact is, that for you to eat, something else must die. After all, even if it's just a broccoli sprout, that broccoli still had to die before it went in your mouth. This can NOT be avoided unless you stick to a solid diet of ice cubes.

I personally don't believe that everything is as alive as everything else. Things that have either brains or central nervous systems (jelly fish lack brains but are still living organisms) are alive. Plants and fungi like mushrooms don't have brains, they can't think, nor due they have a central nervous system, so they can't feel pain. While it would be silly for me to say that plants aren't alive, when I take a plant out of the ground it doesn't have anxiety like a cow in a slaughter house, and it doesn't feel the pain of a chainsaw seering into it's flesh either. So I can comfortably say that the death of the poor innocent defenseless broccoli is secondary to the cow's (or whatever animal) death and I feel no guilt about the circumstances. So, in general the whole argument about the plants dying to feed humans is completly flawed because it is the decomposed animal matter which provides the plants with all of those yummy nitrates that keep them growing so we can eat them and then feed them to eat them until we blow ourselves up.

Uh oh, muberts trying to trick us. Watch out Peta Pals!