Free Will and determinism and...

[CaptainBubba]

Importance, destruction, capabilities, dangerousness, and purpose, are all things which hold no water in this conversation. Every one of them is a human construct and is abstract in thought, and holds absolutely no meaning in the context of this conversation. You seem unable to distinguish that which is relevant and which is not.

Again. Even infinite complexity can still be deterministic. Tortoises on Galapagos and the fact that humans are capable of much only means we are complex. This has nothing to do with determinism. I hope you can sort of see that if you think deeply about it for a second. Seperate your spiritual beliefs from your thought process for a moment and evaluate what we are actually discussing. In essence this argument is about the nature of time and existence. Read my previous statements about the program and about rewinding time and consider that no matter how complex humans are, they will inevitably follow the same autonomous path, and even if they dont that merely dictates random probabaility, which I dont believe is what most define free will as. Free will is much like the terms you use to argue its existence in that it makes sense only in a purely abstract human conotation.

The free will/determinism argument only has to do with purpose if you ignore determinism and perpetuate a convoluted system of belief which defies logical thought(see above). Determinism says that everything is autonomous. Nothing more or less. It is not a message of doom or despair and so I continue life as I would before coming to the realization of its truth.

Feelings do not consitute anything in scientific debates. Sorry, but you wont win many arguments with people by saying that you just know or just feel that something is there.