SawII vs Original. which is better?

[Mockery]

I don't see how they're clever at all really. I can picture the writers at a table getting drunk and having that typical, "ok dudes, what's like... the most... like... crazy way you could think of dying?" discussion. The storylines themselves are predictable, the gore isn't nearly up to par compared with loads of other horror movies (ie: constantly cutting away just before something happens, which is a BIG no-no in horror movies). What actually made you cringe? Hell, even the "Final Destination" movies have more cringe-worthy moments in them than Saw does haha.

The Saw movies are just too overhyped... and the only reason half the people who are seeing them these days think of them as the most "extreme" horror movies ever, is because they've hardly seen anything else. But yes, we do agree on one thing, even though the Saw movies are big budget, they've yet to include good acting for some reason. I couldn't believe how bad Cary Elwes was in that first one.