Hi Geggy

[Grislygus]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present the first volley of the "condescending and rambling" responses, the last stages of an internet argument! Be sure to take notes, you'll be quizzed on this later.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"The only thing I asked from Geggy was his own, solid opinion, he gave it, and the conversation between him and myself was closed."

Pretty gay conversation huh? Like i said, you guys argue in the land of opinions which don't really matter Besides I can't believe you guys have read through this forum for however long and you've never seen geggy make a "Solid opinion" or point out a single decent discrepancy.

If you may recall, this thread was awlays entirely about Geggy's opinion.

Originally Posted by Misdemonar

Could you tell me all about 9/11? Why did America and the Jews blow up the towers?

Ah, memories.

And since the responses were long, inconclusive, the discrepencies vague, with the accusations even more so, I asked for a simple and concise argument. Which seems to enrage you for some reason.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

You guys are sitting here acting like you're having a powow SMOKEM PEACE PIPE we're coming together and finding the truth about geggy's opinion! I just thought it was lame, like something little kids would do. I don't really give a damn about the conspiracy theories themselves.

I wasn't under the impression that having intellectual conversations was something that lame little kids do. Maybe we should have played tag instead.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

I don't know I guess I just think you guys have the mental capacity of a four year old, in this instance. You guys can be pretty bright on other topics.

Yep. Should have played tag.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"back up arguments"

BACK UP YOUR ARGUMENT WITH A NICE OPINION NO BETTER WAY TO BE JUSTIFIED

If the argument is hazy and unclear, it's nice to be certain of what the person is getting at. Oh, whoops, should have put that in Caps Lock.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"You aren't making any real claims, you don't have any real idea of what's going on. You are merely suspicious of the government, and think the government is lying just because it's the government. "

If I wanted to argue opinions and pretend to know things about things that nobody except the people there could possibly know(see conspiracy theory) I really could.

But if the facts are there, the opinion is sound, and obviously has sound backup, then the truth can be quite clear. However, it is up to the conspiracy theorist to provide this.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

But that's not the case, I actually agree with you when you say that stuff like this is either a fuck up or..something. People can still create "Conspiracies" over "Fuck ups" though.

WHICH IS WHY I ASKED HIM TO CLARIFY HIS POSITION. There we go. Nuthin' like caps lock to make an argument more sound.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Moreover the entire issue of 9/11, regardless of if there was any actions on our government's part to actually destroy the world trade towers, is that the Government USED the emotional soft spot of Americans to take us into an unjust war, along with the creation of todays socio-political climate. As far as that war goes, and it's justification, THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY ADMITTED TO LYING ABOUT IT.

Which is why many of these theories rely on people blindly assuming that the government lies about everything, as I have said umpteen billion times.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"Therefore, you rely on more intelligent 9/11 theorists like Geggy to provide real arguments, and rise to their defense if someone has the audacity to question them. "

:LOL Great job bringing out the REAL ARGUMENTS from geggy by asking him for his PERSONAL OPINION. GREAT JOB.

Originally Posted by I

But if the facts are there, the opinion is sound, and obviously has sound backup, then the truth can be quite clear. However, it is up to the conspiracy theorist to provide this.

:LOL

Originally Posted by kahljorn

I don't really care about 9/11, I haven't even once really talked about a single conspiracy theory I've been talking about the nature of a conspiracy theory and the logic of your gay "ARGUMENT' which in it's classic terms isn't even a real argument. You do get that that's my problem with your argument is that it's dumb and not really an argument, right?

Do you even listen to yourself? The reason that you're angrily debating me is because my dumb gay little argument isn't really an argument?

How? So far I've refuted everything you've thrown at me. And how is it that I have remained on my one argument the whole time, yet yours jumps around more than Tom Cruise on a coke binge?

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"So is that why you have a problem with opinions? "

lol. Is this even worth answering? I have a problem with opinions because they are OPINIONS.
Let's look at the definition of opinion:
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
You asked for his "judgement that rests on insufficient grounds" to produce complete certainty that you know that he knows what he's talking about so he'll have the strength to convince neutral minds otherwise.

Once more...

Originally Posted by I

But if the facts are there, the opinion is sound, and obviously has sound backup, then the truth can be quite clear. However, it is up to the conspiracy theorist to provide this.

:LOL (again)

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"you have only two things; facts, and your opinion based on those facts. "

You guys asked for his opinion on facts but his opinion didn't really matter at all. You see this is the catcher, it's not the damned opinion that matters. It's the "fact" that there was a "Discrepancy" that matters. Geggy didn't really "State his opinion' he stated a "Discrepancy", that's what you guys were convinced of. One that I'm sure he didn't discover through investigative journalism but by reading a bunch of different articles about 9/11.

He stated his opinion based on the discrepency he provided. Why the hell is this so hard to understand?

Originally Posted by kahljorn

So why ask for his own words and his own opinion when what mattered most was the discrepancy that was discovered by somebody else? If he stated his opinion without the discrepancy would it have been so valuable? no. it would've had no value, because it wouldn't have had a discrepancy behind it.

Of course not. If his opinion HADN'T HAD SOME SOUND BACKUP AND EVIDENCE, his opinion would have been worthless, and he would have been dismissed. You don't seem to realize that people are, by nature, curious.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

And if all you guys needed was a decent discrepancy to convince you that there's justification for considering what happened on 9/11.. i don't know. I give up on life if that's the case because there's plenty of decent discrepancies floating around to at least give you the inclination to be interested in what actually happened. I mean, discrepancy alone should be enough to make any normal, healthy person wonder. Especially when it comes down to something important.

We needed a discrepency, one that he proved that he understood, to prove that he wasn't just pulling things out of his ass, Mr. "I don't know anything about 9/11 conspiracies".

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"And if you really feel that talking about your theories won't do any good, then feel free to keep quiet."

SORRY ILL EVEN GO BACK AND EDIT MY CONSPIRACY THEORIES OUT OF MY OTHER POSTS

You've got me there. But my point still stands. If you really think that this is futile, then why are you talking about it?

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"Why do you have a problem with this?"

Because his opinion has nothing to do with what actually transpired on 9/11?
Because the inevitable pointlessness of asking for opinions has already occured because your conversation is CLOSED. So do you believe everything geggy says now? ARE YOU GOING TOLOOK AT WHAT HE SAYS A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY? NO IT WAS ALL POINTLESS DRAMA.

What, and what you're doing isn't pointless drama? As I have before stated, any moron can pull a conspiracy theory out of his ass, and if Geggy was to be taken seriously, he needed to prove that he understood the subject and wasn't some thirteen year old with a copy/paste button. It's still up to him to convince me, but at least now I know that he shouldn't be simply dismissed.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

You guys are little cockteases.

Totally not pointless drama.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Also I should add that discrepancies in and of themselves don't prove a damned thing.

Oh yea and didn't you guys want him to state his own opinion so he'd have a strong argument, so you guys wo uld know that he knows what he's talking about? So you guys could maybe continue the argument? Why is it that the conversation is now closed, instead of you guys continuing to bring up points?

It's not closed between the people still engaged in the debate, idiot. I am not well-versed in the event, therefore am unable to refute arguments. However, as a theorist myself, I brought up my initial reaction to his theories, and his way of presenting information.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

See, I don't really need to do anything to make my point that your guys stance on this was ridiculous and pointless, the conclusion of this thread and "Argument" is enough. I don't need an "Opinion" to prove that, the discrepancy is clear.
I think it's pretty obvious you guys were just being bitter cunts.

In that case, feel free to stop arguing, if it's that obvious that my argument is ridiculous. Furthermore, YOU are the only one who's being bitter about anything. The fact remains that Geggy gladly complied with my request, and YOU just want something to yell about.