Live from the Middle East

[kahljorn]

I like this thread :O

"I can attempt to understand the twisted logic that wound up with terrorists choosing the life they have, but I don't have to agree with it and I certainly don't HAVE to catagorize it as human. "

You know I really don't know why people think humans are anything more than animals. OH WE HAVE FREEWILL WE CAN CHOOSE THINGS IT'S BEYOND OUR BIOLOGY GOD GAVE US MAGIC POWERS WE HAVE A MORAL COMPASS. Nature-nurture is too stupid. ANIMALS DONT HAVE THE POWER TO CHOOSE: I have two objections. First off, if you set two plates of food in front of an animal they're going to "Choose", of course this might not be "Morally motivated" but whatever. Secondly, the thing that makes humans "Better" than animals is our big brains, our big brains make us seem like we have more choices because we have a higher capacity for observation and memorization. It doesn't have anything to do with being morally superior, because the morals we are presented with are still largely decided by the culture we are born into. Morals are really non-existant.
In fact if you look at what "Morals" have done for our society since we've begun you'll see they've basically done jack and shit for us, presenting more problems than anything. For example, morals go against the natural way. It's natural for animals to kill animals for their own personal well-being: in human society our protection of life has allowed us to flourish absolutely, however now we are presented with problems like overpopulation because there's too many of us-- and really what is the point of there being so damn many of us, half of us are worthless retards who are just around to barely sustain society. This could probably be called Cultural lag. Morals don't really lead us down the path of "Right", it's just right according to our own selfish desires.
If you want to start talking about what it's necessary to become "Human" and shed our animal nature that could be fun, but for the most part it's always going to have to do with the shedding of government, the shedding of morality and the shedding of most other things. Really, you can't have mass "Humanity" instantaneously, and if you did the world would cease functioning as it is.

" You just cannot have a socialist government based in the idea that we all get what we want whether or not we have earned it and also, at the same time, have a goevrnment wherein we aren't subject to the whim of those that want from us what we don't think it's fair to give. "
Government doesn't really work anyway. We pretend like we have a meritous, fair society but actually those who are in power are usually the least meritous. It's alot easier to sell a house than build a house, for a small example. Or maybe it's alot easier to declare war as president than it actually is to fight in a war and get shot at. I mean really, whether or not you have a socialist Government doesn't really change that basic underlying nature, and for the most part it can't really be avoided. In fact I thought socialism was, eventualy, supposed to address this nature?
I mean, part ( a very large part ) of the reason President Bush is a president is because of the family he was born into. How fucking hard is that? Did he fight his way into that womb? Sperm battles aside, he has done very little to "Earn" his position, and yet he takes plenty away that many people don't feel is fair to give.