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Old Feb 21st, 2007, 01:14 PM       
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Old Feb 21st, 2007, 02:43 PM       
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Old Feb 22nd, 2007, 12:45 PM       
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I'm trrying to grasp better understanding of your world view because it appears to me that you are delusional and out of touch since you are denying that fact that we've been constantly lied to by the bush administration, it scary. I know how much you love to bash liberals because it's an "in" thing to do as much as it is to become one without even forming his own opinion. Well, guess what, i'm not interested in other people's opinion. I'm interested in facts which is why i focus so much on the bush administrations constant parroting of lies through contadictions and excesssive secrecy because it is a clear and undeniable fact and it's the only fact that we know. Because of their coverups and the continued cover ups with more lies, we can only guess and we cannot dismiss anyone's guess as delusional because the reality is that we just don't know.


In the past three years, Bush have been telling us this...

BUSH: We will stay the course.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...060830-10.html

BUSH: We will stay the course, we will complete the job in Iraq.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0050804-2.html

BUSH: We will stay the course until the job is done, Steve. And the temptation is to try to get the President or somebody to put a timetable on the definition of getting the job done. We’re just going to stay the course.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0031215-3.html

BUSH: And my message today to those in Iraq is: We’ll stay the course.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040413-20.html

BUSH: And that’s why we’re going to stay the course in Iraq. And that’s why when we say something in Iraq, we’re going to do it.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0040416-4.html

BUSH: And so we’ve got tough action in Iraq. But we will stay the course.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0040405-3.html

All of a sudden, during an October 22, 2006 interview on ABC’s This Week with George Stephanopoulos ..

STEPHANOPOULOS: James Baker says that he’s looking for something between “cut and run” and “stay the course.”

BUSH: Well, hey, listen, we’ve never been “stay the course,” George. We have been - we will complete the mission, we will do our job, and help achieve the goal, but we’re constantly adjusting to tactics. Constantly.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/22/...ay-the-course/

Preechr, I'm would like to hear your take on this, amuse me some...
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Old Feb 22nd, 2007, 01:01 PM       
Of all the things you could've at least made an attempt at, THAT'S what you choose...!?
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Old Feb 22nd, 2007, 01:19 PM       
Well, kevin, the reason he did that is obvious. He has one of those brains that gets stuck on certain issues he hears about rather than remembering all the issues. If you picture a dog dashing around occasionally chasing it's tail you'd get the right picture.

I probably would've picked the lying about wmds/uranium/intelligence reports thing.
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Old Feb 22nd, 2007, 01:41 PM       
How about oil revenue from Iraq would pay for the war? LINK

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Old Feb 22nd, 2007, 05:52 PM       
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How about oil revenue from Iraq would pay for the war? LINK

LOOK AT US, TEAM GEGGY.
Kev, I'll read your link and get back to you, but off the cuff, I'd venture to say that that was more of an adjustment made to the reality of Iraqis being the ones that own that oil and our having no real say so as to how they spend their money. There's more to it than that, but I think it boils down to that was a stupid thing to say, but it correlated to a stupid thing he actually believed.

Gotta go for now though. I'll read it and respond more fully later...
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Old Feb 22nd, 2007, 05:48 PM       
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I probably would've picked the lying about wmds/uranium/intelligence reports thing.
Does that satisfy the test of definition? Didn't pretty much everybody actually believe that Saddam had WMD? If he believed it was true when he said it, then it was a mistake, not a lie.

The gravity of that or any of his other mistakes is another discussion, and I think we should wait on Geggy to show up for this one before we move on, if that's Ok with you...

BTW, we did actually find a stockpile of over 500 artillery shells loaded with Sarin or Mustard Gas or something. Might not be a nuke, but I think that qualifies as hidden biological weaponry, don't you?

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Old Feb 22nd, 2007, 06:28 PM       
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Does that satisfy the test of definition? Didn't pretty much everybody actually believe that Saddam had WMD? If he believed it was true when he said it, then it was a mistake, not a lie.

The gravity of that or any of his other mistakes is another discussion, and I think we should wait on Geggy to show up for this one before we move on, if that's Ok with you...

BTW, we did actually find a stockpile of over 500 artillery shells loaded with Sarin or Mustard Gas or something. Might not be a nuke, but I think that qualifies as hidden biological weaponry, don't you?

Here: http://www.google.com/search?source=...=Google+Search
Well, let's say you have some intel, the veracity of which can only really be expressed in terms of ambiguity, and you fail to mention this in a caveat, you have lied. A Platonic (or Straussian) "noble lie" is still a lie.
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Old Feb 22nd, 2007, 05:39 PM       
First off, I gotta agree with Kevin on this one. That's the best you could come up with? You are saying that Dubya, according to the definition of the word LIE I provided for you, KNEW we would not be "staying the course" when he CONSTANTLY repeated that phrase for three and a half years every time someone asked him what he planned to do in Iraq?

So, let me get this right: I must have missed the news briefing where he announced we would be withdrawing from Iraq. Is that what happened? Last I checked, someone in his administration finally convinced him to simply stop throwing out that phrase as the be all, end all of his end of any Iraq discussion. He may have changed his rhetoric, but he sure as hell doesn't seem to have significantly reversed his position on finishing what he started in Iraq.

Try again...

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I'm trrying to grasp better understanding of your world view because it appears to me that you are delusional and out of touch since you are denying that fact that we've been constantly lied to by the bush administration, it scary.
Maybe I am delusional and out of touch. Maybe that's why I am reaching out you: My Rock of Reason and Lucidity. All I need from you right now is just one, single example of an actual, verifiable lie told to us by George W. Bush. I need that life line to drag myself back into reality, Geggy.

HELP ME

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I know how much you love to bash liberals because it's an "in" thing to do as much as it is to become one without even forming his own opinion.
Huh? Are you confusing me with someone else? Sometimes I post articles written by those that bash liberals, but over the past couple of years I've tried my best to draw a very dark line between true liberalism and progressivism. I bash Democrats and I bash Neo-Socialists just about as much as I bash Theocrats and pretty much every other type of idiot that currently makes up our government.

In case you haven't noticed, I've generally referred to myself as a Libertarian, but I've also started to identify myself AS a liberal in the classical and true sense of the word. When you see me "bashing" those that call themselves liberals... and maybe I do that moreso than I bash conservatives... it's because I resent them for straying so far from the expectation their assumed identity requires of them.

If I have "become one," then I have done so through the careful formation of my own opinions.

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Well, guess what, i'm not interested in other people's opinion. I'm interested in facts which is why i focus so much on the bush administrations constant parroting of lies through contadictions and excesssive secrecy because it is a clear and undeniable fact and it's the only fact that we know. Because of their coverups and the continued cover ups with more lies, we can only guess and we cannot dismiss anyone's guess as delusional because the reality is that we just don't know.
Well then, Mr. Interested In Facts, please cough one up.

Show me one of those lies you are so fond of talking about, but please remember that I'm not looking for anything other than a factual, proveable lie.
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