Turkey: More Reasons To Be Against Socialized Health Care

[Kulturkampf]

And the many ways which we can condemn socialized health care become even more apparent as we look at the lack of success that they are having in Turkey:

Turkey’s public health system is blocked by the government’s recent health communiqué asking state to meet all in-hospital medical expenses for inpatients. Hospitals halted surgical operations for their medical supply were cut after firms gave up taking part in biddings, due to university debts that stem from state non-payments.
A recent government health communiqué asking state hospitals to meet all the medical expenses of inpatients has pushed into a big crisis. Some faculties of medicine, also serving as public hospitals, have started to refuse patient applications because, despite the two and a half-month extension granted for implementing this change, have failed to obtain necessary financial resources.
In particular orthopedic and neurosurgery departments, despite their critical importance, have halted operations for they require prosthesis devices. Patients refused at university hospitals doors have begun to look for other hospitals. Moreover, refused patients who need operations requiring specialization have had to apply to A-type private hospitals that are quite expensive. As a result, those who have the necessary financial resources may be able to receive the medical treatment they need but those with no financial resources are desperately waiting for a solution to the crisis victimizing them.

Turkish Daily News
In short: due to the inherent foolishness of appointing a government bureaucracy to manage the needs of hospitals, they have caused the prices to soar and patients to be turned away from getting operations that they need. They have made a government system so bad that medical procedures which could be performed before cannot be done anymore at a good cost to the consumer.
I'd like to quote a good friend of mine, Adam Torson, and note that a liberal is somebody who sees the disaster of Hurricane Katrina, the war on drugs, the bureaucratic pork barreling corrupt spending and Operation Iraqi Freedom and would like these people to manage our health care system.
When government puts its nose where it should not be there will usually be a close impending crisis in that section of the market.

[Sleazeappeal]

If the occasional failure of a social program is enough to discredit it as legitimate, then what gives us the right to try to establish democracy in the Middle-East? Has not democracy resulted in civil wars and economic depression in our nation?

No plan is foolproof. That's why you stave off fools for as long as you can before they overtake things. Then you change the plan and stave them off for as long as you can.

Flux ad infinitum.

[AlliSabbah]

I like seeing someone take a worst case scenario and present it as the norm.

I stubbed my toe when I got up to get a Cola. Therefore I have decided that from now on my wife should get me anything I want and I should never have to get up from the computer. Its obvious I cannot ever walk safely.

[Zbu Manowar]

Originally Posted by AlliSabbah

I like seeing someone take a worst case scenario and present it as the norm.

I stubbed my toe when I got up to get a Cola. Therefore I have decided that from now on my wife should get me anything I want and I should never have to get up from the computer. Its obvious I cannot ever walk safely.

No kidding.

It must be a sad, sad person who lives their live under constant fear of a deity or a governmental party they voted in. I wonder if they actually take time out of their concern trolling day to actually ponder their existence before drowning it all in cheap Miller beer.

[Kulturkampf]

We can bring up all sorts of arguments why socialism doesn't work on just a fundamental basis.

What we see above falls into the category Thomas Sowell calls markets of size.


Administratively it is impossible for a government to dictate which each, individual hospital needs or deserves and then to ascertain all of the goods and distribute equally while at the same time preventing corruption through weeding out who really needs what and who is just lying.

In this case, we have Universities who do not have large amounts of funds that compensated by having their patients pay certain amounts (which they were apparently satisfied in doing); now that this has become illegal, the government still cannot provide them with what they need to accomplish surgeries and they cannot ameliorate the problems through making them pay a little extra for the services.

The result is these hospitals become more and more inefficient and useless while the few hospitals that can handle all of the demands become swamped.

It's impossible to properly manage everything for everyone through a bureaucracy. Capitalism wins out because each individual hospital / store /whatever can evaluate their own needs and the needs of their customers and get the job done.

The government cannot write policy for every Hospital in Turkey.

[Sleazeappeal]

Originally Posted by Kulturkampf

The government cannot write policy for every Hospital in Turkey.

Well it's a good thing we're not Turks, then.

[Fat_Hippo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't canada and scandinavia have socialized health care, and I've never heard of problems with their health care. And it's not like america's health care is great.

[Kulturkampf]

Originally Posted by Fat_Hippo

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't canada and scandinavia have socialized health care, and I've never heard of problems with their health care. And it's not like america's health care is great.

And they pay more taxes.

• Taxes in Sweden consume more than 50 percent of GDP. The aggregate tax burden rose by about 150 percent between 1950 and 1980, but has since that time remained relatively stable. 1
• The top marginal income tax rate is about 57 percent. While punitive, the top rate used to be nearly 90 percent in the late 1970s. While the long-term trend is positive, the short-term trend is unfavorable. The top tax rate had fallen to 51 percent immediately after the 1991 reform.

F&P

Canada is becoming even more Capitalist in their health care:

However, Canada is beginning to run into problems, as reported in the Wall Street Journal today. Like the USA, Canada is beginning to face the specter of an aging population. Pressure on doctors and facilities started to choke things up last year. Even though the country has had very tight restrictions on providing private care, the Supreme Court decided the ban had to be relaxed; too many people were suffering from long waiting lists and crowded hospitals. Now a second-tier of health care is building up, a U.S. style of paid physicians. Restrictions are still tight...but they're loosening.

Progressive U

With this system it's much like our own: huge payments to a lot of people who are deeemed as needing the healthcare for free while others pay their own way for convenience.