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TheCoolinator · #1

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Originally Posted by Zhukov

Are you a small business owner or are you a major share holder in a world wide mining corporation? These are the thing that affect what class you can be considered part of, not how much money you have.

That's an outdated point of view then. Money talks, bullshit walks.

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Originally Posted by Zhukov

DO you know what an "Oligarchical Financier" is?

Who got the largest share of the banker / insurance bailouts?

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Originally Posted by Zhukov

You said that without unions there is no middle class.

With no labor organization to protect middle class workers then their living standards will be lowered to the point of the poor class. Which is what has happened. Find a chart that compares the fall of unions to the disappearing middle class.

Even if an individual is not in a union his wages are padded by the existance of union wages no matter what. If a company doesn't offer as much if not higher wages then why would that person want to work there? That person would go work for a union instead. Why waste time at a job that is not going to pay you a living wage and pension? Unless your destitute which most people are because we are in a global depression. Hence the high unemployment, tent cities, bailouts, extension of unemployment welfare, so on and so forth.

Also, Union workers who get paid more spend more, another reason why they are good for the economy.

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Originally Posted by Zhukov

blah blah blah

So what do you think we should do about the 1.5 Quadrillion dollars in derivative paper that's causing the world economic depression?

Colonel Flagg · #2

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Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

So what do you think we should do about the 1.5 Quadrillion dollars in derivative paper that's causing the world economic depression?

Dude, that's your opinion. And the opinion of several individuals who agree with you. In my opinion there is no depression, worldwide or otherwise.

We disagree.

Can you dig it?

TheCoolinator · #3

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Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

Dude, that's your opinion. And the opinion of several individuals who agree with you. In my opinion there is no depression, worldwide or otherwise.

We disagree.

Can you dig it?

So,

We didn't have to bailout the Investment banks because of the 1.5 Quadrillion dollars in worthless derivative paper?

And....we didn't have to create a stimulus package that saved one of our last manufacturing bases: Ford & GM?

And....we didn't have to extend unemployment benefits?

and....we didn't have to cut social services?

and....we didn't run up a 3 trillion dollar debt bill?

and ....we are not in a depression....ok...i see your point now.

Dimnos · #4

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Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

And....we didn't have to create a stimulus package that saved one of our last manufacturing bases: Ford & GM?

Wait! Arent you the guy who said the bailouts didnt save one single job?

TheCoolinator · #5

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Originally Posted by Dimnos

Wait! Arent you the guy who said the bailouts didnt save one single job?

No jobs were saved by the bailout.

The stimulus saved some jobs in the manufacturing sector. There is a difference between the two.

Also, the UAW was busted and had to take numerous concessions. Lower pay, losing most of their pension..and so on and so forth.

Colonel Flagg · #6

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Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

[...]we are not in a depression....ok...i see your point now.

You heard it here first.

Seriously, Coolie, I don't WANT or NEED you to agree with me. I don't particularly care if you do or not. I have an opinion, that I shared with you - either agree or disagree, but don't belittle it - in fact, when you do you are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing to you.

It's an opinion. We all have 'em.

TheCoolinator · #7

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Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

but don't belittle it

It's an opinion. We all have 'em.

Hey,

I was backing up your point. We aren't in a depression. The bailouts don't exist. The stimulus doesn't exist. Unemployment isn't over single digits. Everything is hunky-dory.

(cracks open a beer)

Zhukov · #8

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Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

That's an outdated point of view then. Money talks, bullshit walks.

"It's outdated because I didn't read it first on one of my conspiracy websites. WAH WAH WAH. Here, have a ridiculous rhyme that means nothing but might just dazzle you for long enough to make my escape from a proper discussion into the land of idiotville."

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Who got the largest share of the banker / insurance bailouts?

Why, the Stockbroking Technocrats, of course. You thought it was the Oligarchical Financiers? YOU IGNORANT FUCK.

Anyway, how does this explain what an Oligarchical Financier is? It doesn't, it's just you trying to avoid a question you don't know the answer to. Here's a tip: This makes you look like a moron much more than if you just admit you were wrong. Not that I expect you to do that.

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Also, Union workers who get paid more spend more, another reason why they are good for the economy.

Here you are arguing that unions are important, rather than what you originally were called out on; no unions means no middle class. Once again, you're an idiot that has just been reduced to hastily building a strawman out of something that nobody will argue with in the hope that I might become confused that this is what we were talking about two posts ago.

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So what do you think we should do about the 1.5 Quadrillion dollars in derivative paper that's causing the world economic depression?

I think you should make a house out of all that paper and live like a crazy hermit far away from high functioning adults. OH OH DETROIT HAS 50% UNEMPLOYMENT, OBVIOUSLY THAT MEANS THE WORLD IS IN A DEPRESSION.

Because Detroit equals the world.

Strangely enough, I'm not entirely convinced that Detroit has an unemployment rate that high, but that's not too important, you've moved on from unemployment rates after you saw you were wrong, and have now INGENIOUSLY turned the discussion into one about derivative paper, which, I am not embarrassed to admit, I have no idea is.

This conversation is over. You just ignore what doesn't agree with you and try to weasel out of your original wrong points of view without having to admit you were wrong. You're an idiot.