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[Jeanette X]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Well,

Who is funding the ethnocentric group called La Raza that teaching race based revolution?

You mouth-breathing, moronic boob.

"La Raza" does not neccessarily mean "The Race", it can mean "the People", which it does in that context. Hispanic/Latino ISN'T A FUCKING RACE. THERE ARE WHITE HISPANICS, BLACK HISPANICS, AND BROWN HISPANICS. ITS A CULTURAL IDENTITY, NOT AN ETHNIC ONE!

La Raza is a civil rights group for Hispanic people. Yes, a civil rights group. I know that must upset you that they would DARE to get together to defend themselves against racism, but you'll just have to live with it.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

Oh so the parts themselves are manufactured in China then shipped through you to Mexico where its assembled?

Mexico....then back up to the US. 1st world workers can't compete with slave / sweated labor who recieve less then a dollar an hour compared to high end US Union wages of 25-35 dollars an hour with benefits and pension plan.

Originally Posted by Jeanette X

it can mean "the People", which it does in that context. Hispanic/Latino ISN'T A FUCKING RACE. THERE ARE WHITE HISPANICS, BLACK HISPANICS, AND BROWN HISPANICS. ITS A CULTURAL IDENTITY, NOT AN ETHNIC ONE!

Yes,

That's exactly what I've been saying. It's an incediary divisive ideology which preaches a victim ideology. Many of these "Cultural Leaders" reinforce the idea that there are these boogeymen after every Hispanic and Latino. There aren't. There are however very weathy people who wish to use them as slave labor (to break the middle class).

I still believe its race based though. That's the only place we differ.

Originally Posted by Jeanette X

La Raza is a civil rights group for Hispanic people. Yes, a civil rights group. I know that must upset you that they would DARE to get together to defend themselves against racism, but you'll just have to live with it.

There is no racism against them. Many people are just angry because illegal aliens (OF ALL RACES, most of which are Chinese) are bankrupting hospitals, social safety nets, and schools around the country while lowering the standards of legal citizens....naturalized or otherwise.

[Jeanette X]

I still believe its race based though. That's the only place we differ.

Are you referring to La Raza?

There is no racism against them.

You naive idiot. How can you be so mind-boggling stupid as to believe that Latinos aren't being hassled in this country due to race?

If you support the law, and I take it that you do, what exactly do you think that "reasonable suspicion" for stopping somebody and demanding to see their papers is? Do you really think that the cops won't use this as an excuse to hassle every brown person they see? That other minorities (such as the Chinese) won't be unfairly targeted?

That's exactly what I've been saying. It's an incediary divisive ideology which preaches a victim ideology. Many of these "Cultural Leaders" reinforce the idea that there are these boogeymen after every Hispanic and Latino. There aren't.

Sure there aren't. I'm sure you're in an excellent position to know what its like to be Latino in this country. I'm sure that you know far better than the cultural leaders and the people who listen to them about the issues facing Latinos today.

Hell, why don't we make you a cultural leader, since you know so much?

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

Maybe so, but most of these jobs were from industries (paper, automobiles, steel) which were poorly run for decades. Fat dumb and happy were the executives, right before they all jumped ship with their golden parachutes. Chainsaw Al Dunlap comes to mind.

"Maybe so” ?

And we aren't discussing how they're run; we are discussing how laws and regulations have been put in place to encourage off shoring of our manufacturing base. Which HAS happened, there is no "Maybe so". There is the giant sucking sound of our jobs going down the drain.

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

And I think that our CEO would take issue with you calling our sales figures small potatoes.

I believe you were the one that referred to yourself as small potatoes.

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

I'm not an economist, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. However, I would think the current job market gives one plenty of incentive to start their own business.

I person who is in debt and getting paid half what the guy before him made is "plenty" of an incentive to start their own business?

And I'm not going to bring up all the taxes, licenses, and selectively enforced regulations that small businesses have to follow. Did you know in the new Obamacare bill private employers MUST provide healthcare for their workers? That will bankrupt a large portion of them, allowing the giant companies like Wall-Mart, Target, to move in.

Why didn't they just expand Medicare?

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

The standard of living in the USA is not what it once was, but I would hardly call it "low" by any stretch. I'd reserve that right for countries like India or Brazil.

"not what it once was"

That's the understatement of the year. US citizens living standard has been cut by 2/3rd ! College graduates can't even get jobs washing lettuce at the local Jack-In-The-Box. Older workers are having to take jobs at drastically reduced pay. Depression!

Why? Because of Free trade, destruction of the manufacturing base, and corporate welfare.

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

Say what? Now you're saying you want the GOVERNMENT to run the oil industry? You trust the government to do the right thing? Ummmm.....

If the government was run by the people for the people then common sense would suggest that all the natural resources in this country our ares....not to make private individuals mega profits to use against the American people. Try getting a bill that gives significant funding to Alcohol, Biofuel, Biodiesel, as a fuel source. Not going to happen because of the Oil cartels lobbyists. AKA Bribes.

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

However, the economy has cycled more than once or twice since the 1960's. Both downward and upward. Unless you have some macroeconomic background of which I am unaware, I'm extremely skeptical of your "doom and gloom" take on things. It's just not that cut-and-dried, my friend.

You cannot compare the present depression to anything in past events, this is so many times worse than it ever was before that Carters / Reagan's / Bush recession will look like a sunny day compared to what's in store for this country.

If you count up all the money that has been spent on bailout and then count up all the Derivative debt that's STILL on the books of the investment banks and still being created then it is 10x the amount of the global GDP.

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

In a phrase, "bring it on". That's essentially our corporate philosophy. We can compete with anyone from overseas, even with our labor base being domestic.

I highly doubt that. How can you or any other business compete with people making 25 cents an hour?

It's impossible. I'm sure you have a lot of customers but you as like others have been can be undercut in a heart beat.

Watch: Wall-Mart - The high price for the low cost

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

No they're not. You need to understand the tax laws and how they can be read to favor small business and industry. In my view, the playing field has been leveled somewhat, and we've come ready to play.

Are you kidding me? Small businesses cannot compete against multinational corporations. The laws that are on the books are directly squarely at small business while large corporations get a free pass, pay literally no taxes, get tax incentives, and welfare.

Have you seen all the "For Rent" signs around? Take a trip down to your local shopping center. I bet half of it is empty.

It will be here soon and the rose tinted glasses will have to be adjusted. You'll see. The bailouts, austerity, countries in turmoil, and the drop in DOW is just the beginning. The dam will break soon.

Originally Posted by Jeanette X

Are you referring to La Raza?

Originally Posted by Jeanette X

You naive idiot. How can you be so mind-boggling stupid as to believe that Latinos aren't being hassled in this country due to race?

Because they aren't. We have a huge illegal alien populations destroying our society. It isn't focused at latinos its focused at committing the crime of entering the country illegally.

Originally Posted by Jeanette X

If you support the law, and I take it that you do, what exactly do you think that "reasonable suspicion" for stopping somebody and demanding to see their papers is? Do you really think that the cops won't use this as an excuse to hassle every brown person they see? That other minorities (such as the Chinese) won't be unfairly targeted?

Unfairly targeted? Last time I checked everyone whose gotten pulled over by a police officer in the last century has had to show their drivers license. If a police officer sees a bunch of people waiting to be picked up for work and they are all kinds of races he has more then enough reasonable suspicion to ask for all their identification.

We have to remember here that its fault of both the employer of illegal aliens fault AND the illegal aliens themselves.

They are both committing crimes and harming the social fabric of this country NO MATTER what race they are.

Originally Posted by Jeanette X

Sure there aren't. I'm sure you're in an excellent position to know what its like to be Latino in this country. I'm sure that you know far better than the cultural leaders and the people who listen to them about the issues facing Latinos today.

Originally Posted by Jeanette X

Hell, why don't we make you a cultural leader, since you know so much?

You should, I can teach you how to not use infantile expletives in a conversation.

La Raza and other ethnocentric groups are here to cause fissures within our society. They are here to push a race war between Hispanic / Latinos and whites / blacks.

The Ford Foundation is to push blacks into a race war against whites / Latinos.

This is all blatant incendiary rhetoric being placed out there to agitate the local populace into attacking each other instead of going after the real criminals. Wall street.

[Zhukov]

You believe that a select group of "oligarchs" rule the world and plan for the extermination of the poor through fluoride in water and withholding healthcare, and ALSO that the destruction of society is coming about through illegal immigrants?

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

You believe that a select group of "oligarchs" rule the world and plan for the extermination of the poor through fluoride in water and withholding healthcare, and ALSO that the destruction of society is coming about through illegal immigrants?

No.

[RaNkeri]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

No

Why throw out your hazardous waste for a cost, when you can call it a medicine and sell it to the public as a profit?

Ummmm....

Why? Because of Free trade, destruction of the manufacturing base, and corporate welfare.

Ummmm.....

If the government was run by the people for the people then common sense would suggest that all the natural resources in this country our ares....not to make private individuals mega profits to use against the American people. Try getting a bill that gives significant funding to Alcohol, Biofuel, Biodiesel, as a fuel source. Not going to happen because of the Oil cartels lobbyists. AKA Bribes.

Ummmm....

The laws that are on the books are directly squarely at small business while large corporations get a free pass, pay literally no taxes, get tax incentives, and welfare.

The bailouts, austerity, countries in turmoil, and the drop in DOW is just the beginning. The dam will break soon.

Ummmm....

La Raza and other ethnocentric groups are here to cause fissures within our society. They are here to push a race war between Hispanic / Latinos and whites / blacks.

The Ford Foundation is to push blacks into a race war against whites / Latinos.

Ummm...

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

No

You cannot compare the present depression to anything in past events, this is so many times worse than it ever was before that Carters / Reagan's / Bush recession will look like a sunny day compared to what's in store for this country.

Ummm....

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by RaNkeri

Ummm....

Your point?

[Jeanette X]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Because they aren't.

(citation needed)

We have a huge illegal alien populations destroying our society. It isn't focused at latinos its focused at committing the crime of entering the country illegally. And I thought you said it was WALL STREET that was destroying society, not immigration. Make up your mind.

Do you really think that if they wanted a law that would unfairly target Latinos, that they would write explicitly that way?

Unfairly targeted? Last time I checked everyone whose gotten pulled over by a police officer in the last century has had to show their drivers license.

It isn't having to show your license, its the BEING PULLED OVER IN THE FIRST PLACE. Minorities are pulled over far more than whites.

If you police officer sees a bunch of people waiting to be picked up for work and they are all kinds of races he has more then enough reasonable suspicion to ask for all their identification.

La Raza and other ethnocentric groups are here to cause fissures within our society. They are here to push a race war between Hispanic / Latinos and whites / blacks.

(citation needed)

This is all blatant incendiary rhetoric being placed out there to agitate the local populace into attacking each other instead of going after the real criminals. Wall street.

Because any discussion of race and how it continues to divide society is INCENDIARY AND IT WILL AGITATE TEH BROWN PPL! WE MUSTN'T DISCUSS RACE! WE MUSTN'T TALK ABOUT IT! WE MUST IGNORE THE ISSUE AND HOPE IT GOES AWAY!

HOW DARE THOSE PEOPLE OF COLOR DISCUSS RACIAL ISSUES! ITS NOT LIKE THOSE ISSUES AFFECT THEM IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

And you also believe that we are in a depression right now even though you say that things will become worse than they were in the '70s? Wouldn't that mean that right now we are in a recession which will lead to a depression... You know, after things get worse than they were in the '70s and they're as bad as they were after '29?

No.

We are in the second phase of a depression. The recession started in 2008 and by January it was considered a depression.

We must remember the definition of a Recession and that of a Depression. Recessions only last a few months.....after those select number of months then it is defined as a depression.

2008-2010 = Depression - Job losses, bankrupt banks, credit freezes, bailouts, bankrupt states, forclosures, etc, etc, etc...

Just because the men on television keep referring to it as a "Deep Recession" or a "Credit Crunch" that's just another way of saying DEPRESSION.

Originally Posted by Jeanette X

Do you really think that if they wanted a law that would unfairly target Latinos, that they would write explicitly that way?

This law targets illegal aliens of all kinds. The word illegal immigration doesn't just revolve around Latinos. It's a race-less crime. Race is an irrelevant issue here.

And to top it all off.....all this is, is a copy and paste of the already existing federal law that was not enforced. People are sick and tired of this lack of enforcement. They don't care was race commits the crime. They just want the law to be enforced. Stop listening to these "CULTURAL LEADER" race baiters. We all know Al Sharpton is a joke....why listen to people who are saying the same exact thing to create controversy.

Originally Posted by Jeanette X

It isn't having to show your license, its the BEING PULLED OVER IN THE FIRST PLACE. Minorities are pulled over far more than whites.

(citation needed)

Originally Posted by Jeanette X

Because any discussion of race and how it continues to divide society is INCENDIARY AND IT WILL AGITATE TEH BROWN PPL! WE MUSTN'T DISCUSS RACE! WE MUSTN'T TALK ABOUT IT! WE MUST IGNORE THE ISSUE AND HOPE IT GOES AWAY!

HOW DARE THOSE PEOPLE OF COLOR DISCUSS RACIAL ISSUES! ITS NOT LIKE THOSE ISSUES AFFECT THEM IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!

This law isn't about race. It's about breaking the law or not breaking the law. If you're an Legal / Natural Born American citizen then you don't have anything to worry about. If you're here illegally then you're committing a crime.

I don't care if your green or blue skinned. Its called breaking the law. Skin color is irrelevant.

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

No.

We are in the second phase of a depression. The recession started in 2008 and by January it was considered a depression.

We must remember the definition of a Recession and that of a Depression. Recessions only last a few months.....after those select number of months then it is defined as a depression.

2008-2010 = Depression - Job losses, bankrupt banks, credit freezes, bailouts, bankrupt states, forclosures, etc, etc, etc...

Just because the men on television keep referring to it as a "Deep Recession" or a "Credit Crunch" that's just another way of saying DEPRESSION.

No, the definition of a recession is a significant decline in activity spread across the economy, lasting longer than a few months, as you previously posted in another thread. You had trouble reading your own definition in that thread too, though. It's already been pointed out how you don't seem to understand how bad things were in the recession of the '70s, let alone the depression of the '30s so I'm not surprised that you would consider what's going on now as a depression. It'd blow your mind if you went to live in a third world country for a few months.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Your point?

He was pointing out how you contradicted yourself.

[Jeanette X]

This law isn't about race. It's about breaking the law or not breaking the law. If you're an Legal / Natural Born American citizen then you don't have anything to worry about. If you're here illegally then you're committing a crime.

Once again, what constitutes the "reasonable suspicion" that a person is illegal and that a cop should demand their papers, if not race?

I'm waiting.

(citation needed)

You don't believe me that minorities are pulled over more than whites? You're even more naive and stupid than I had initially believed. Allow me to show you:
http://www.chicagoreporter.com/index...g_While_Latino
From the article:

Latino drivers are being stopped at a higher rate by the police than their share of the driving-age population, and they are more likely to have their cars searched than their white counterparts, shows a Chicago Reporter analysis of 2007 traffic stop data collected by the Illinois Department of Transportation.

The Reporter’s analysis also found that Latino drivers were asked for permission to search their cars at a higher rate in 25 out of the 44 communities than white counterparts—despite the fact that Latinos were less likely to be found in possession of contraband.