The "Road Map"

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by Abcdxxxx

actually, they've got 21, and a whole mess of unused land.

Right, unused land, because they live in a region of the globe that is quite fertile in every way. Maybe they should've accepted all that "unused land" from Barak that used to be for waste dumping, eh?

You lump Arabs together like M&Ms in a candy jar. This is your problem, and it's one of your key contradictions.

Secondly, it's not sensationalized when the Palestinian population majority and their community groups, along with it's governing officials have stated this as a goal. Would you like quotes?

Yes, I do want quotes, but not quotes from outraged Palestinians who have had their homes run down by the IDF, or their homes blown out while the IDF persued a "terrorist," nor one who had been waiting for 8 hours in a line of cars to get past a check point.

Treat people like shit, and they will jump to their own conclusions.

Actually, the quotes I want are ones that reinforce your claim further down that Israelis would be MORE than glad to live in one state with these Arabs who they aren't even sure truly exist.

When Palestinians became a political movement it was always tied in to a dream for pushing all the Jews into the ocean. There has never been a period of time when the creation of a Palestinian state didn't come with a promise of a Jewish holocaust.

Right, because when they finally did become politicized, it was in a reactionary fashion towards large influxes of Jewish immigrants to their lands. Does it have to do with anti-semetism? As I've said in the past, certainly. But it makes sense that those who are faced with a seemingly unpreventable result will react harshly.

I'm not saying Palestinians need to be reolocated for peace to occur....you're brain dead if that's what you're reading...

Just like I approve of suicide bombings on buses, the deaths of children, etc.

I'm saying the relocation should have occured during 1948, or 1967, or at some point, and that Palestinian Arabs have had MANY oppurtunities to settle on land OTHER then Tel Aviv. I'm not calling for relocation, but I'm saying it's an option Jews do not have. Get it?

1. Relocation in 1948 is not only extreme, but it's something defenders of Israel would swear wasn't even a real option. You deny your extremism, yet unveil it every chance you get.

2. If the Jews have no option, why do so many Israeli citizens live abroad? If there are no other options, why has emmigration always been a problem there? Right, These mythical Palestinians have options, they can go live in places like Jordan or Saudi Arabia, and be looked down upon the way Mexicans are viewed here in America.

What comprimise has anyone asked from the Palestinians? To stop killing? How is that a comprimise?

They are ALL clearly doing it, too. Oh, I forgot, even the local PTA has it on their weekly agenda to push the weasels into the sea and indulge in their blood. Those rotten Arans. What shall we do with them? We need some kind of a solution, don't ya think?

Pretty funny. You're a scary kid. As long as you convey that viewpoints like mine are that of an extremists, comparable to Hamas, you're doing more harm then good. Once again, you're real, real confused what an extremist viewpoint in Israel even is.

Condescending twit. If you think people like me are Israel's enemies, then Israel has VERY few friends. Tell me, if relocation in 1948 and relinquishing their state identity now isn't extreme, what is? Any solution from the far Right?

Go ahead and quote something I've said that conveys my supposed Hamas like dream to "annihilate them all".

Go back and read what I said. You DON'T WANT a Palestinian state, you detest the Palestinian identity, if you even acknowledge their existence. You ARE an extremist.

How many times must I use the word coexistance before you actually read it?

Yes, give up these silly hopes and dreams, strip yourselves of this faux identity you've manufactured in your minds, become citizens of the Jewish state, and be the little pet project of the Israeli hierarchy. You can still live in the same slums, still live in poverty, and best yet, call yourselves Israelis! Maybe we could give them special identification, so they can "distinguish" themselves from the Jews....any ideas?

News flash - they never had a state, there was never a seperate Arab ruled state called Palestine EVER. There was never a seperate language, border or culture defining an Arab majority Palestine segregated of Jews and Christians...

Nor was there an Israel beyond the Old Testament and the Macabees, and even their outdated version of Hewbrew needed to be updated in order to suffice as a new state language.

The influx of Jews to the land, which they oipposed, created a sense of identity and commonality. A convenient "other" can do this, and it is clearly there.

and whatever need there was for an Arab state carved into that land was meant to be served through the creation of Jordan. It's revitionist fiction to say otherwise.

They denied the UNSCOMP decision in 47, thus negating the Jordanian option (which even by 47 wasn't an option, the king of Jordan was a greedy opportunist who didn't give a damn about those people).

To look back at this as the litmus test for Palestinian statehood in 2003 is stagnant and infantile.

Palestinian Arabs HAVE been mistreated, but they have also been given oppurtunities for autonomy, and coexistance and it's misguided to blame Jews or Israel for the entirety of their plight.

It of course is not, but unlike your narrow perspective on things, Israel certainly DOES have a role in the problem, one that goes beyond that of the innocent victim.

Unless maybe you take the lazy and bigoted stance of saying "of course it's the fault of the Jews, without them we wouldn't have a problem!"....which would in fact make YOU an extremist.

This is not what I believe, nor have I ever indicated this. My view has always been more complex than that, and never have I sought to canonize one side while vilifying the other. This is something you most certainly do.

Oh and what can we say of someone who offers blind support for a movement CENTERING around institutionalized racism, and Holocaust denial, along with the premeditate violence against civilians based solely on their Jewishness?

Again, your goals and desires are exposed. The hope for the proposed Palestinian state should/would be one based upon fair elections, freedom of thought, and liberalism. Your hope is none of this, in fact, what you would prefer is ANY kind of a solution that would force all of those lumped together, rotten Arabs to stop hating Jrews. Stop lying about Jews. Heck, how about we have the Kinesset APPOINT the leadership, and run it as a satellite state!? As long as no naughty, anti-semetic thoughts ever pass through their non-existent minds. Quite the moderate you are.

You're certainty doesn't match the polls within Israel.

My quoted "go away" comes right from the language used in a poll, actually. Please, provide me with the poll indicating the impending 60's love fest they desire, would ya?

The problem is there is no true definition of what a Palestinian is, so if some guy moved to Gaza last year from Egypt, and joined up with Hamas, then why should they be granted citizenship?

This is very funny, coming from someone who is Jewish, defending a state where the qualifications for citizenship need only be your mother's last name.

Meanwhile, Israel HAS paid reparations, and offered a home to a large amount of Arabs. Since you claim to care for the security and livelyhood of an Israeli state, then I ask when will it be time to put a foot down and realize appeasement has never brought peace????

Nor have check points, nor have occupations, nor have out posts and settlements.