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Old Jan 15th, 2008, 10:12 PM       
The Nazis were elected in 1933 and assumed absolute power through a referendum I believe in 1934 or 1935 (they already had full power but this merely gave them a blank check to do whatever they wanted). Where's the Corporations?

The State controlled the economy and placed it in the care of Dr. Schacht.

Hitler's goal was always clear. In 1922 it was already clear in his mind:

(1) Unite all Germans in one German homeland. That is why Sudetenland and Austria were attacked and plans for subjugation of the Nordic peoples were in place. It was believed that Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, Dutch and North French were fundamentally Aryan / Germanic peoples.

(2) Provide Lebensraum for the German people. This is why Poland and subsequently the Soviets were attacked.

(3) Get rid of Jews and gypsies and cut out the influence of non-German peoples. The Jews were richer than average Germans and there were large Jewish figures that could be looked at. Due to the old Christian policies on 'usury' there was for the longest time no such thing as Christians running banks, which enabled Jews to establish great banking systems.

(4) Get rid of the Marxists who at the bequest of French and Russian propaganda and interests created a large ammunition strike. The strike occurred because average Germans suffered greatly and only 2% of government expenditures during WWI went to the private sector (source). There was a lot of striking but the final blow was a large ammunition workers strike which left the Germans without bullets.

By all accounts, Germany would have done better if it were not for the over the top government spending and the strike in 1918/1919 that crippled the machine. When the war had stopped in the East in 1917 it was clear that the Germans should have been able to win as they had doubled the number of soldiers on their front, but it meant nothing as the industry was collapsing.

But in Hitler's mind the whole thign was to be blamed on Marxism which he regarded as both a Jewish fabrication and due to internationalist tendencies a downfall for Germany.

Hitler was stauncly anti-Communist because it was not nationalist.

All of his goals were ideological. If you read his book there is absolutely no mention of corporations and he ven says in Mein Kampf that the ideal government is merely one which puts the best people in charge, elevates the smartest people to the highest offices, and criticized Capitalism for its nepotism and Communism for its... Jewishness, internationalist perspectives. Perhaps it was too early for the common sense argument it doesn't work.

(Mussolini criticized Communism as undermining the human spirit by equating happiness to property, and that none of the fundamental problems of the human spirit would be solved by property; the real issues of the human spirit would be solved with more fulfilling things like patriotism, glorious service to one's country and taking over Yugoslavia and Ethiopia).

It was always about the German people for Hitler, which meant lebensraum for Germans and the destruction of their enemies (Jews, Marxists, homosexuals, antisocial types, gypsies, etc.)
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Old Jan 16th, 2008, 06:55 AM       
Ahh, so there we go!

Fascism takes socialist practices and gives them a nationalistic focus. The citizen may reap some benfit, but only for the sake of service to the state.

The mandate of true socialism is that the state's sole existence is to serve the populace.

Also, as for how corporations fit into the scheme of things, look at a couple things you mentioned. In Hitler's view, the final blow against Germany in WWI was when ammunition workers went on a large-scale strike, an action taken by a worker's union, which he viewed as a result of communist thinking brought on by Marxism. He tried to eliminate everything having to do with Marxism, including the formation of unions and many other things now considered to be "workers rights".

Who do you think that benefits?

Sorry if my thoughts seem a little scattered, but what do you want when you can't sleep at 3:30 in the morning?

By the way, I'm not picking apart and criticizing your arguments to be mean or spiteful, I'm just trying to keep you humble. After all... You wouldn't want to succumb to vanity, now would you?
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Old Jan 16th, 2008, 06:55 PM       
What we should really be striving for, as a people with a strong, intelligent moral cause, is not to have any bad things.
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Old Jan 17th, 2008, 04:47 PM       
People feel murderous sometimes, George, wouldn't that be a good feeling to try to suppress and get rid of?

Just because fighting against something would be in vain doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

And really, this was written from a more abstract sense. I know the abolishment is impossible. I am not like some Leftist here hoping for the impossible.
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Old Jan 17th, 2008, 06:53 PM       
lol so you want us to fight against vanity to abolish it in vain lol

can somebody make the signature picture in kk's avatar a emoticon

i thought you were exactly like somebody wishing for the impossible but i guess you were just sharing with us that if we could only remove bad things from society, and of course from ourselves!, then there would be less "bad".
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Old Jan 18th, 2008, 12:37 AM       
No single group of human beings can claim a monopoly on wishing for the impossible.

That's why it's called "wishing".
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Old Jan 18th, 2008, 01:00 AM       
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No single group of human beings can claim a monopoly on wishing for the impossible.

That's why it's called "wishing".
That is dumb.
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Old Jan 19th, 2008, 10:41 PM       
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That is dumb.
That's the risk you take when you try to say something profound.

It's zero-loss.
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Old Jan 18th, 2008, 04:47 PM       
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People feel murderous sometimes, George, wouldn't that be a good feeling to try to suppress and get rid of?
That's right, bottle up all your anger and push it down rather than confronting it. That's a great idea.
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