legalize weed

[MetalMilitia]

People, in general, are far too stupid to be allowed to do anything which could be abused. As such any kind of legalisation probably wouldn't do much more than increase Adult Swim's viewing figures by a few million and reduce the number of people that make it though college.

As for using cannabis taxes to increase education, do you really think that would do anything? They shove cigarette ads in everyone's face hundreds of times a day but yet there are still around 10 million cigarettes sold every minute.

That said I don't think people should be prosecuted for possession of small amounts. Which is pretty much how the law works in the UK.

[kahljorn]

Metalmilitia, i think that's the only redeeming feature of the pharmaceutical industry -- that they can protect us from our own abusive tendencies since they are essentially rationing out drugs.
Pills are still unsafe and easily abusable, though. I'm not sure of the statistics exactly but I'm almost positive there are more deaths and addictions resulting from legal drugs than there are from illegal drugs. Whether that's misleading because there are a lot more people doing legal drugs than illegal drugs.. though
I wouldn't be surprised if the rate of addiction and resulting deaths is along the same lines, though.

[MetalMilitia]

In terms of their effect on the body, drugs like alcohol are much more harmful than THC (the active chemical in cannabis). However I think the world is sufficiently fucked up to not need another substance legalised that basically makes you want to sit in front of idiot cartoons and eat junk food.

Don't get me wrong; I used to be a big proponent of cannabis legalisation and I can appreciate many of the benefits its legalisation would afford. But I just don't think English OR American society (especially young people) are responsible enough to be given access to a new, potentially-life-fucking-up, substance.

In my opinion possession laws should be relaxed, but cannabis should never be sold over the counter.

[noob3]

i would much rather be perscriped pills that got me high than to buy weed on a regular basis if i got perscriped some bomb thc pills, that'd be great :o i'm in my first semester of college and i want to quit smoking herb because i am not getting A's or anything and i forget alot of stuf

[kahljorn]

yea, I'm barely getting a's in all my classes this year because I'm really lazy, i never study or do anything ;o
luckily im naturally smart so i can still sail through but it's annoying to be at like an 80 something and wonder if you're going to get an a.

[Ninjavenom]

how the fuck can you outlaw nature? Why not outlaw poison ivy? Nobody likes that, either.

[kahljorn]

I think every drug was illegalized for bullshit reasons

like i think opium or something was illegalized because, besides some other reasons, it makes black people rape white people. That's basically what got all the white people to vote it away. Democracies are shit.

MetalMilitia one thing is that do you think alcohol is a better drug for college students? I think that it probably interferes with learning more than THC, but who knows, really.

[kahljorn]

we should outlaw jimson weed too that shit's dangerous ;o ;o ;o; o ;o ;o ;o ;o ;o ;o ;o ;o ;o ;o ;o ;o o; ;o ;o ;o ;o o; ; ; ;o ;;;o; ; ; ;o ;o

[Lenor]

Metalmilitia, where in hell are you basing your theory on? For one, weed does not mentally or physically incapacitate you. You may eat a lot more, hence 'freshmen 15'(haha); But your body adjust after awhile and your still truckin on through to class.

Drinking Alcohol on the other-hand in college can be lethal. For example Fraternity Hazing, Pledging is not just a 'every weekend' event, rather an every night one. Sorority's and fraternities have been around for along time and make up a large percent of a college campus.

You could argue that 'Not Everyone lives on campus or wants to become some Delta Kappa Pie member!'. Ok, that is true. But what they do in their home life is not really apart of the 'college experience' and I do not believe to have that much relevance in this discussion.

Name a musician/band that has not done drugs, and I'll show you one that never made it famous.

[MetalMilitia]

I'm basing my theory on the three/four years in which I smoked and did absolutely nothing with my life. Once I quit everything seemed to fall into place and I'm much happier for it.

Saying weed doesn't incapacitate you is rubbish. It makes you forgetful, absent minded and generally stoner-like.

Sure people can damage themselves much more with alcohol and I'm not advocating its use but as I say the different ways people use the two drugs often make alcohol the lesser evil.

Sure, a bunch of great bands take a shit-ton of drugs but does that really mean they should be legal?
I'll be willing to bet a lot of good music was written under the influence of much stronger substances than weed, so should those be legalised too? No.

[Lenor]

Getting older makes you forgetful and absent minded also, we should make that illegal too!

Your basing a theory solely on yourself; thus an accurate study of the other billion's of people in this world, does not one make.

[kahljorn]

Wow I'm actually impressed that lenor understands problems with induction but that's fine she probably learned it in class...

anyway, I agree with metalmilitia. Weed does make you lazy and not want to do anything. Or at least it makes you want to do fun things... but it's not exactly as if alcohol makes you want to sit down to study.
Usually i go to school stoned and such but that's not a big deal. The problem is when i come home and get stoned and dont do any of my homework, or really focus on my reading at all. I don't really think students who drink will be focusing on their reading and writing but i dont really know ;o
all i know is if i didnt smoke weed i probably wouldn't be as lazy and unconcerned so my grade would probably go up 2.5%.

[MetalMilitia]

Originally Posted by Lenor

Getting older makes you forgetful and absent minded also, we should make that illegal too!

A lot of old people die too, Lenor. Should we make drugs which make you die legal just because "OLD PEOPLE DIE ALL THE TIME!"?

Originally Posted by Lenor

Your basing a theory solely on yourself; thus an accurate study of the other billion's of people in this world, does not one make.

Well until you show me YOUR study of the other billions of people in the world, which proves that cannabis will not cause more problems in an already problem-filled society; my own experiences are all I have to go on.

[Lenor]

You can also die from drowning in a teaspoon of water; LET'S IL-LEGALIZE WATER!

There are several studies done already; though not by myself. You can find some on:

www.erowid.org

[Ant10708]

Metal: People in college drink at all times of the day just like how stoners smoke.

[kahljorn]

Lenor if you're going to post a link to something can you at least make it a direct link?

Old people die all the time, so does that mean it's okay to viscously murder old people? I mean, they're going to die ANYWAY.

and what about slapping lenor with cocks in the face until her nose bleeds? she's going to get slapped in the face by cocks anyway, and bloody noses are ARTISTIC.

[kahljorn]

there's not really a good reason to keep marijuana illegal I'm pretty sure everyone knows that. Although, I think people becoming lazy and not doing anything is a pretty good reason i guess, but there's a lot of things that will do that, including television, that make it a bad "reason".
it also causes bronchial infections and a few other medical problems, stupposedly, which make it bad.

Personally, I don't see why pot shouldn't be legalized for MEDicAL PURPOSES. It's easy enough to have a decent medical reason that practically anybody can get it, since it can be used for aches and pains a long with depression, migraines and insomnia, everybody in the world has at least one of those. Most medicines used to treat those conditions also have negative effects, although I don't know if laziness is among them for all of them
Pretty much one of the central facets of medicine is that any medicine you take can have a negative effect, so you have to weigh the negative against the positive of taking it. Since medicinal marijuana has less negative effects and more positive effects than most pharmaceuticals, it stands to reason that it should be medicinally legal.

You can argue that, but once you start comparing sleeping pills to pot the argument pretty much loses force. I don't think it's possible to argue against marijuana as a medicine, unless you have some super doctor skills and k now something nobody else does
plus cannabis clubs are cool because you can buy pot sodas and pot candy and pot honey

http://www.canorml.org/news/fedmmjcases.html

i remember kevin posted a thread about that at some point ;/

[Lenor]

Kahl seriously whats with your posting lately? It makes very little if none, sense lately.

[kahljorn]

really? i thought it made extra sense, except the joking parts.