Kulturkampf's Fun-Time Philosophy Jamboree! (merged)

[kahljorn]

Well, you can be my lil hussy then, since you're already everybody else's.

lil hussy.

[Dixie]

"Hussy" comes from the word "housewife", so I'd imagine that'd be an accurate description.

[kahljorn]

And ****** comes from negro which is the mexican word for black so I guess its not a big deal to call black people ******s.

Genetic fallacy

If y ou look in the dictionary it says that that definition is obsolete. Words change, whore. Hey look in the definition of WHORE part of its roots is, "To caress, to charish." OR CHARITY. Guess its not such a bad thing to call you a whore, it just means you like to donate money. That's very kind of you.

you are such a benevolent lil whore.

[Dixie]

I don't donate money.
I'm stingy.

[Dixie]

You seem angry about something.

[kahljorn]

perceived pretension, mostly. and its not so much anger as annoyance.

[Dixie]

I think you misread me.
I use really stupid terms of endearment, but I mean them.
I when I talk I call people "honey" and "sugar" and "sweetie", none of which are meant in any derogatory or insulting way.
But now that you pitched a bitch fit over my calling you my little buddy, you're not my little buddy anymore, guy.

[kahljorn]

I never was your little buddy. What the fuck, we've talked like twice.

And I can't imagine calling someone, "Lil buddy" without being pretentious. But if I actually MISREAD you IM SORRY. Maybe you should be more careful not to call people by pretentious sounding names.

[Dixie]

I'm a southern pot head, dude.
duhhh

[kahljorn]

alright ;o

[kahljorn]

I guess it would depend on how you view the war; however, regardless of how it is viewed, the Soldier is dying for his community.

Oh and this:
Depends on the soldier. Lots of soldiers are enlisted forcefully (draft). If they don't have a choice in the matter, how can it be a sacrifice -- or moral?
Many soldiers also join the military to get money, to travel and to get their college paid for. When was the last time somebody went to a military recruiter and come home saying, "I get the chance to die for my community" and not, "I'm gonna get a five thousand dollar incentive and all of these monetary advantages for bleh. Excellent retirement plan, too."
A lot of people also join the military because they don't know what to do with their life, or because they have no where to go. ;o or because they think its SO COOL AND MAKES THEM BETTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE. I WANNA TRAVEL. etcetera

Most people don't make sacrifices, they make exchanges. I'm not even sure there is such a thing as a "Sacrifice." Being somebody who sacrifices makes you a whore. I mean charitable. And that makes you MORE MORAL and clearly superior to other people.

[Kulturkampf]

Originally Posted by kahljorn

There is a purpose. To eliminate all human suffering once and for all.

more later.

Not bad. I can wait.

Originally Posted by Carnivore Is God

Don't worry 'bout that part lil buddy.
We'll go extinct (hopefully) soon enough and there'll be no more human suffering.

Oh wow humanity is not so coolto you.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

How is it a morally superior doctrine? This is a self-contradictory statement ;/
Anyway, communism rejoices in the weak and "feminine." The entire point of communism is so that the weak and feminine can survive just as easily as the strong. In fact, what it says is that the weak, feminine, strong and masculine are all equal in value. And it also argues that the weak and the feminine deserve more money/benefits than the strong and masculine.

Something can't be a morally superior doctrine just because it sounds nicer ;\

There is nothing wrong with trying to protect the weak; the only moral crime is the choice to be weak and to not fight for what is right.

Originally Posted by Evil Robot

GIVE UP YOUR LIFE FOR OUR DEAR LEADER, KIM JONG IL

Cool.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Well, you can be my lil hussy then, since you're already everybody else's.

lil hussy.

Yeah, Kahl, let's fuck this girl with great masculinity; high fives; a little bit of the 'seks grupowy' as the Polish say.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Oh and this:
Depends on the soldier. Lots of soldiers are enlisted forcefully (draft). If they don't have a choice in the matter, how can it be a sacrifice -- or moral?
Many soldiers also join the military to get money, to travel and to get their college paid for. When was the last time somebody went to a military recruiter and come home saying, "I get the chance to die for my community" and not, "I'm gonna get a five thousand dollar incentive and all of these monetary advantages for bleh. Excellent retirement plan, too."
A lot of people also join the military because they don't know what to do with their life, or because they have no where to go. ;o or because they think its SO COOL AND MAKES THEM BETTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE. I WANNA TRAVEL. etcetera

Most people don't make sacrifices, they make exchanges. I'm not even sure there is such a thing as a "Sacrifice." Being somebody who sacrifices makes you a whore. I mean charitable. And that makes you MORE MORAL and clearly superior to other people.

Of course Soldiers receive benefits witht heir job. The goal is not to deprive oneself and attain a purely altruistic existence, but at the end of the day the risk of this sacrifice is a big deal.

Perhaps some do this purely out of self interest and others are pressed into the service but I do not think that this takes away the full dignity of it by any means.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Can you guys just paraphrase instead?

[Kulturkampf]

Originally Posted by 10,000 Volt Ghost

Can you guys just paraphrase instead?

What do you mean, champ?

[kahljorn]

There is nothing wrong with trying to protect the weak; the only moral crime is the choice to be weak and to not fight for what is right.

Communism encourages people to be weak. I mean, the weak do not become any stronger and they are not encouraged to do so. In a sense, its actually less beneficial because then you will receive less benefits from the government. Communism also discourages people from, "Fighting for what's right" because what's right is already what's instituted. It's a totalitarian government system.
And its not a matter of protecting the weak, its a matter of taking things from those who have made the choice not to be weak so that the weak will be what? Not stronger. Besides that communism is self-contradictory. Part of the point is not to be alienated from your work, yet communism proposes just that; to alienate the strong from the fruits of their labor.

*edit* and again, communism makes the strong and the weak equal in value. I don't see how that jives with your other ideas. Except as a hilarious joke.

Perhaps some do this purely out of self interest and others are pressed into the service but I do not think that this takes away the full dignity of it by any means.

It's not a sacrifice if you are doing it to benefit yourself. Besides, there is higher chance of dying in houston texas if you're a black man than if you are a soldier in Iraq. I fail to see the sacrifice ;\ Most people who are soldiers never even go to war. How many times have you been shot at?

The goal is not to deprive oneself and attain a purely altruistic existence, but at the end of the day the risk of this sacrifice is a big deal.

how is it a sacrifice if you aren't depriving yourself? That's not a sacrifice, its an exchange.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I'm at work so I didn't get a chance to read the entire length of the conversation/post. I'll have to wait until I get home to comment better on the situation.

[Big Papa Goat]

Why isn't my Friday the 13th remake thread 2 pages long yet? It's way more interesting than this Hatebreed ethics seminar, and is only like 16 posts long and none of them are even very long.

ANSWER ME THAT WITH YOUR PRECIOUS PHILOSOPHY, KAHLICLES.

[executioneer]

because the politics board gets folks all riled up!

[Zhukov]

Wish I got in on this earlier.

[kahljorn]

ANSWER ME THAT WITH YOUR PRECIOUS PHILOSOPHY, KAHLICLES.

cause i like to look impressive and smart with all my philosophorizing

[kahljorn]

even though i dont think anybody has ever thought i was impressive or smart. Usually it is the exact opposite.

[kahljorn]

[Kulturkampf]

Communism can never exist because man is fundamentally self-centered to his core, and more than that, he wants comfort.

Man also desires separation frm others and to only be punished for his own actions and not those of a neighbor.

If there is an error somewhere else and he has to suffer with the rest of the masses for a silly economic mistake made in Beijing, he isn't going to be happy to part with his comforts because of bureaucratic mishaps. Especially when the guys in Beijing are living life nicely and being recognized throughout the nation, receiving such props that he hath not.

[Kulturkampf]

This is a valid question.

In the 21st century there are still nations which routinely execute homosexuals and essentially bar atheists/agnostics from speaking out against religion. They are predominantly located in the Middle East.

Women are treated as cattle.

Even European politicians have been attacked by these people -- movements by Islamic countries have even put embargoes on certain European countries and products, and there is a stark movement to curtail freedom to criticize Islam in European nations that is somehow being acknowledged by the cowards they call European politicians.

Yes, Christians have done unchristian things but if you look at the nations with a Christian heritage today you will find that they are the freest nations on Earth.

If you look at predominantly atheist nations, such as China, Japan, North Korea, etc. you will find that there the homosexuals are criticized as well and even pornography is banned in China. They enforce much more strict, Victorian morals than the Christian states.

With a few exceptions, Christians in general have proven that they have no desire to enforce their morals on people collectively. Even though atheists enjoy pretending that school board debates in Kansas are hailing a new dawn of Christian crusades, this superstition is generally ridiculous.

Why isn't Islam the target of more criticism -- especially since there is a dramatic increase of Muslims in Western nations?

Islam epitomizes everything that you accuse Christianity of doing... But it is overlooked.

I just have to say... I want to be left alone and not accused of trying to curb your freedoms.

And I also want to see some other rational critics of Islam.

If anybody needs a dose of atheist tongue-lashing, it isn't the Christians.

Christians today spend most of their time on a horrible campaign to clarify their stances on things and separate themselves from the small, vocal minority that are largely disenfranchised, rural people only given microphones to discredit the majority of us.

If you want to lash out at actual violence, actual hatred, actual Old Testament-style values, Christianity should just be a small sideshow.

Let's see what you have to say about the Main Act.

[pac-man]

Christians are the most annoying.