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[Jeanette X]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Well,

Who is funding the ethnocentric group called La Raza that teaching race based revolution?

You mouth-breathing, moronic boob.

"La Raza" does not neccessarily mean "The Race", it can mean "the People", which it does in that context. Hispanic/Latino ISN'T A FUCKING RACE. THERE ARE WHITE HISPANICS, BLACK HISPANICS, AND BROWN HISPANICS. ITS A CULTURAL IDENTITY, NOT AN ETHNIC ONE!

La Raza is a civil rights group for Hispanic people. Yes, a civil rights group. I know that must upset you that they would DARE to get together to defend themselves against racism, but you'll just have to live with it.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

Oh so the parts themselves are manufactured in China then shipped through you to Mexico where its assembled?

Mexico....then back up to the US. 1st world workers can't compete with slave / sweated labor who recieve less then a dollar an hour compared to high end US Union wages of 25-35 dollars an hour with benefits and pension plan.

Originally Posted by Jeanette X

it can mean "the People", which it does in that context. Hispanic/Latino ISN'T A FUCKING RACE. THERE ARE WHITE HISPANICS, BLACK HISPANICS, AND BROWN HISPANICS. ITS A CULTURAL IDENTITY, NOT AN ETHNIC ONE!

Yes,

That's exactly what I've been saying. It's an incediary divisive ideology which preaches a victim ideology. Many of these "Cultural Leaders" reinforce the idea that there are these boogeymen after every Hispanic and Latino. There aren't. There are however very weathy people who wish to use them as slave labor (to break the middle class).

I still believe its race based though. That's the only place we differ.

Originally Posted by Jeanette X

La Raza is a civil rights group for Hispanic people. Yes, a civil rights group. I know that must upset you that they would DARE to get together to defend themselves against racism, but you'll just have to live with it.

There is no racism against them. Many people are just angry because illegal aliens (OF ALL RACES, most of which are Chinese) are bankrupting hospitals, social safety nets, and schools around the country while lowering the standards of legal citizens....naturalized or otherwise.

[Jeanette X]

I still believe its race based though. That's the only place we differ.

Are you referring to La Raza?

There is no racism against them.

You naive idiot. How can you be so mind-boggling stupid as to believe that Latinos aren't being hassled in this country due to race?

If you support the law, and I take it that you do, what exactly do you think that "reasonable suspicion" for stopping somebody and demanding to see their papers is? Do you really think that the cops won't use this as an excuse to hassle every brown person they see? That other minorities (such as the Chinese) won't be unfairly targeted?

That's exactly what I've been saying. It's an incediary divisive ideology which preaches a victim ideology. Many of these "Cultural Leaders" reinforce the idea that there are these boogeymen after every Hispanic and Latino. There aren't.

Sure there aren't. I'm sure you're in an excellent position to know what its like to be Latino in this country. I'm sure that you know far better than the cultural leaders and the people who listen to them about the issues facing Latinos today.

Hell, why don't we make you a cultural leader, since you know so much?

[Dimnos]

Morons.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Right in the butt. Nothing is worse than getting fagged in the ass.

[Zhukov]

So how did you "put in" when you were born into these entitlements?

[Dimnos]

I pay for my own health insurance. I got a legal job and pay my taxes. I bought my own house. I donate blood regularly even if only to shut them up and make them quit calling me. Oh and I dont approve the killing government employees to try and prove some half baked notion of entitlement.

[Tadao]

In an hour and 1/2 Los Angeles decides if they boycott Arizona.

[The Leader]

GIVE SANCTIONS MORE TIME

[Tadao]

Where will I get my Arizona Ice Tea?

[Dimnos]

Im sure there will be tea runners in Nevada.

[Tadao]

Here is something amusing.

"Arizona's export shipments of merchandise in 2009 totaled $14.0 billion.
The state's largest market was Mexico. Arizona posted exports of $4.5 billion to Mexico, close to one-third (32 percent) of the state's total export shipments in 2009."

http://www.trade.gov/td/industry/ote...s/arizona.html

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Tadao

Here is something amusing.

"Arizona's export shipments of merchandise in 2009 totaled $14.0 billion.
The state's largest market was Mexico. Arizona posted exports of $4.5 billion to Mexico, close to one-third (32 percent) of the state's total export shipments in 2009."

http://www.trade.gov/td/industry/ote...s/arizona.html

Ya, I know,

The place where I "work" sells a boat load of industrial products to Mexico. See, all the manufacturing is done over there, hence why we are all out of work over here and that shit we sell them is made from China and guess what.....all the profit goes to the Board Members and CEO's of the corporation while the American people push papers and except lower and lower salaries.

So....what's your point?

[Dimnos]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Ya, I know,

The place where I "work" sells a boat load of industrial products to Mexico. See, all the manufacturing is done over there, hence why we are all out of work over here and that shit we sell them is made from China and guess what.....all the profit goes to the Board Members and CEO's of the corporation while the American people push papers and except lower and lower salaries.

So....what's your point?

Chinese parts made in Mexico?

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

Chinese parts made in Mexico?

Ya,

they aren't made here. All the US economy is now a days is the middle man for production based manufacturing. We import chinese made tools and sell them to Mexico's factories.

Hence why we are all outta jobs here. Service based economies don't work.

[Colonel Flagg]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

All the US economy is now a days is the middle man for production based manufacturing. [...] Hence why we are all outta jobs here.

Well .... yes and no. I work for a vertically integrated packaging company that buys raws from all over the world to manufacture the packaging right here in SEPA. The packaging is used to pack products sold in major grocery and specialty stores throughout the country and the world

I fully admit that we are small potatoes - however, there are thousands of companies just like ours serving manufacturing needs in niche markets throughout the private sector.

The reason you don't hear more about this is that many of these companies are so small they are privately held - as are we. As such they don't register on the "DOW" or "S&P" indices.

The job market isn't great but it isn't horrible either. You just need to know where to look.

[The Leader]

[The Leader]

We do still export a decent amount of raw material... To China... Who then sells it back to us as product... Shit.

[Dimnos]

Oh so the parts themselves are manufactured in China then shipped through you to Mexico where its assembled?

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

Oh so the parts themselves are manufactured in China then shipped through you to Mexico where its assembled?

I know some cars are built that way. A lot of the parts for those are made in the US, though.

[Fathom Zero]

Many Mexicans are white, of Spanish lineage. When they came over from Europe, they weren't as good at genociding the natives as America.

[kahljorn]

kind of interesting that you need a union to have a middle class (your quote, right?) but unions are part of what makes globalization appealing...

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

YEAH...JUST LIKE HOW IN MY CO-ED VOLLEYBALL LEAGUE IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GIRLS ON OUR TEAM WE CAN STILL PLAY BUT WE AUTOMATICALLY GET AN OUT EACH INNING. HOW IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE EQUALITY? THEY'RE BASICALLY ASSUMING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET AN OUT ON THEIR OWN.

[Zhukov]

[Colonel Flagg]

^^^ No.

Small potatoes multiplied by thousands upon thousands is a significant fraction of this country's GDP. It probably doesn't equal one EXXON/MOBIL, but then again, their profits dwarf all but about 20 countries in the world.

Our "cottage industries" provide jobs, goods and services, and drive the economy from the ground, not the other way around. We can't afford not to do more with less, and the "less" comes in the form of running an agile, or lean organization, not from cutting wages or jobs. We're as big as we've ever been, and we're hiring more individuals.

I'm only speaking from one company's perspective, but I can assure you the movement is pervasive across industrial boundaries and organizational frameworks.

So, with all due respect, you are not speaking from a position of knowledge here. I am.