LET'S ARGUE ABOUT VIDEO GAMES

[Guitar Woman]

That explode!

[Big McLargehuge]

Hey, i forgot about Guitar Woman!! :0 YOU TELL EM BABY.

[MattJack]

Currently this is the best thread I-Mockery has to offer.

[Zomboid]

Today, I hooked my laptop up to my xbox and uploaded pictures. Can your PS3 do that, micro?

[Microshock]

Originally Posted by Zomboid

Today, I hooked my laptop up to my xbox and uploaded pictures. Can your PS3 do that, micro?

Yes and i get to have the power of a super computer in my ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
Muahahahhaha,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!$!$!$!$!

[Dr. Boogie]

Originally Posted by Microshock

Yes and i get to have the power of a super computer in my ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
Muahahahhaha,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!$!$!$!$!

The power of a supercomputer, the capabilty of a Commodore 64 running Windows Vista!


I got my start with Tactics with FFTA. The story was negligible kiddy crap, but the game was fun.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Originally Posted by Phoenix Gamma

We should argue about this in the "argue about videogames" thread :D

FFXII has the least amount of characterization. The story was garbage. I liked the fact that it took place in Ivalice but the majority of games that take place in Ivalice were bad.

Good ones:
1) FF Tactics
2) Vagrant Story

Bad ones:
1) FFXII
2) FF Tactics Advance
3) FFXII part two...the one for ds.

FF9 was really awesome. Only horrible part was the end boss.

For FFXII I really enjoyed the first 30 hours of it because I played it like it was FFXI. I solo'd till I got till level 25....then I got my second character.....the blond girl.

FFXII was just so bland. I would like to try the international zodiac edition because it looked like they actually individualized each char.

[OxBlood]

Originally Posted by 10,000 Volt Ghost

FFXII has the least amount of characterization. The story was garbage. I liked the fact that it took place in Ivalice but the majority of games that take place in Ivalice were bad.

Good ones:
1) FF Tactics
2) Vagrant Story

Bad ones:
1) FFXII
2) FF Tactics Advance
3) FFXII part two...the one for ds.

FF9 was really awesome. Only horrible part was the end boss.

For FFXII I really enjoyed the first 30 hours of it because I played it like it was FFXI. I solo'd till I got till level 25....then I got my second character.....the blond girl.

FFXII was just so bland. I would like to try the international zodiac edition because it looked like they actually individualized each char.

My main gripe with 12 was the fact that there was no fantasy in the game (for a FF-Game). "There´s these bad guys here and the have these...you know...ships and stuff and they wage war and all that jazz". So? Where are the fucking demons? Where´s the suspense? Okay, it had a Dragon, I´ll give it that. Oh and the main character, that little halfnude bastard Vaan...I HATE that kid, honestly. Worst main character in a RPG ever.

I actually liked FF Tactics Advance 1 and 2, but not because of the story, I just love the job-system. FF9 on the other hand...IS good, I know that, but it´s not fun for me. I try to play through it for 10 years now but I always cancel the whole thing after about 10-15 hours (maybe because it runs 20% slower here, curse you, old PAL games!)

Oh and I actually liked FF8. Weak story, sure, but you got freaking powerful after a while, that makes up for any weak story.

[executioneer]

Originally Posted by OxBlood

Oh and I actually liked FF8. Weak story, sure, but you got freaking powerful after a while, that makes up for any weak story.

but... but the bad guys level up as you do, so getting more powerful doesn't make a shit of difference

[OxBlood]

Originally Posted by executioneer

but... but the bad guys level up as you do, so getting more powerful doesn't make a shit of difference

Did they? I was smashing the bosses in two or five turns later on, they didn´t level up enough apparently. Now, a game that really did it wrong was Oblivion but that´s another story :D

[Phoenix Gamma]

I didn't think it was possible for anyone to actively dislike FF7 unless they were pulling guitar woman shit where they just try to go against the grain.

I played it sometime in 2002 for the first time when I borrowed it from a friend. Never got past the first disk. Story was okay, but the combat was slow, and random encounters felt too frequent. Once I left Midgar, it just wasn't interesting anymore; the game's introduction was really gripping, but got less and less interested as the story started to slow down.

Compared to Chrono Trigger, an SNES game, FF7 felt dated as fuck. Why would I want random encounters, slow battles, overly long attack animations, and ugly Popeye graphics when Chrono Trigger has none of that? Sure, the graphics complaint is a bit unfair, but still...

To be fair, I really wanted to like it, because zomg it's FF7, but it didn't jive well with me. Don't get me wrong, though; I see why people make a big deal over it, and I'm not saying people aren't allowed to like it or some shit; I just think that, as a game, it's not very good, even for the time it was released.

Originally Posted by 10,000 Volt Ghost

FFXII has the least amount of characterization. The story was garbage. I liked the fact that it took place in Ivalice but the majority of games that take place in Ivalice were bad.

Good ones:
1) FF Tactics
2) Vagrant Story

Bad ones:
1) FFXII
2) FF Tactics Advance
3) FFXII part two...the one for ds.

I liked the political story, and I liked that the leading female and the leading male were already taken, meaning they weren't going to fall in love with each other at the credits. Basch and Noah/Gabranth's relationship was interesting, particularly at the very end, and Balthier was one smooth motherfucker. Larsa was surprisingly awesome too; I was certain that he'd double cross my party, because he seemed shifty at the start, but he ended up being pretty damn cool. And totally loaded with X-Potions :D

Also, a lot of people really dig Tactics Advance. It sold a lot of copies and has a really strong following. Meanwhile, I'd argue that the original Tactics is pretty flawed; I can't see precisely where I place my units or who I'm fighting, so it comes down to luck at the very start. The story requires sparknotes, and the Calculator or whatever is so fucking broken. Tactics A2, while having the worst characters and story in the history of strategy RPGs, had some deep gameplay and the job system was pretty damn addicting.

[Zomboid]

I didn't think it was possible for anyone to actively dislike FF7 unless they were pulling guitar woman shit where they just try to go against the grain.

I don't think it's the best game ever, nor would I even include it in my top 10, but it's still a solid entry in the series and definitely one of the best on the PSX.

Fuck, can't people like games anymore without there being douchebags from one extreme or the other coming in and either hating it or microshocking the fuck out of it?

[MetalMilitia]

Originally Posted by Zomboid

I didn't think it was possible for anyone to actively dislike FF7 unless they were pulling guitar woman shit where they just try to go against the grain.

I pretty much hate it to be honest. I just don't care for that kind of thing. The art style, the story, the characters - it just makes me think "Mehh fuck this". The Japanese-ness of it is the main problem for me. Damn Japanese.

[MattJack]

Originally Posted by MetalMilitia

I pretty much hate it to be honest. I just don't care for that kind of thing. The art style, the story, the characters - it just makes me think "Mehh fuck this". The Japanese-ness of it is the main problem for me. Damn Japanese.

IF IT WERE FF7: THE NORMANDY INVASION YOU'D LOVE IT!

WHY DO YOU ONLY LIKE BORING FPS RTS WWII GAMES YOU LOONEY TOON?

[executioneer]

ff7 was pretty fun the first time i played it but i can't imagine wanting to play it again

EDIT: ff8 on the other hand was a godawful nightmare

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I really reccomend you getting past disc of FF7. I've played through it at least 4 times. It's not the end all be all game it's really solid. I hated FF8 the first time through but began to appreciate it after playing through it a few more times.

Same thing the first time I played FF tactics. I rented it, didn't come with instructions and died really quick because I didn't know what I was doing. After MUCH MUCH MUCH insisting by my friend to pick it up again and try I did. He showed me some pointers and I'm really appreciative of the fact that I was fortunate enough to get back into it. FF tactics blew my mind. It took a little whilte to follow the story but it's still really good. FF tactics advance was fun to play for a while, I liked the Vierra more than the other classes because it seemed they could get the best jobs. storywise though was a crock. I didn't even bother with FFTA2 so I can't comment on it.

FF6 is by far the best in my opinion.

I've been playing FFXI on and off again since 2004 and it has a special place in my heart for wasting the most time on a single game.

[Guitar Woman]

FF1, 6, and 7 are my favorites, and I don't hate 8 as much as everyone else seems to. I generally regard everything after that as an abortion, but now that I have a PS2 I might give 12 a chance if I ever happen across it.

I played Final Fantasy 2 and liked it, but couldn't be arsed to get very far because the leveling system was completely fucked. Props to this one for being the first to have set characters, instead of MAGE, FIGHTER, THIEF.

Final Fantasy Tactics is the most boring game I have ever played in my life.

[Fathom Zero]

Urgh.

FFT took me in when I was in the eighth grade. Now I don't give two shits about it. FF7 was long and fun. FF8 was insanely better. blah blah blah

[Phoenix Gamma]

Actually, I got Tactics for PSP, and my experience consisted of:

-Picking random units because I can't see the map I'm fighting on
-What do you mean "you can only bring 5 people"? Why give me, like, 30 slots if I'll never use them?
-Waiting for my turn
-Special attacks LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG
-Oh god please let it be my turn now
-Another special attack is killing the frame rate again
-Oh for fuck's sake when's my turn?
-Okay I can go now. I attacked a guy.
-The enemy I just attacked ran away and healed.
-It's still not my turn yet.
-My lunch break is over now.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

^
Yeah, you have to get tactics for a console or even emulate it. The first battle is kind of bland because you don't really have any abilities yet. I couldn't even imagine playing it on a lunch break unless it was later on in the game. Battles generally take a long time. I would end up making Ramza a Warrior with Dual Wield from Ninja and Ignore Height from Dragoon, then give him an excalibur for +Haste and just go and woop on people in no time.

FF Tactics enemies also level up with your characters so the game is continually challenging.

This glitch only happened on my friends game but later on you come across a battlefield where he had to fight around 12 Monk enemies. Normally not that bad if there's a few of them but anytime you would attack one of them, two others would come over and chakra each other so they basically had almost a regen effect on.

[Phoenix Gamma]

Originally Posted by 10,000 Volt Ghost

^
Yeah, you have to get tactics for a console or even emulate it. The first battle is kind of bland because you don't really have any abilities yet. I couldn't even imagine playing it on a lunch break unless it was later on in the game. Battles generally take a long time. I would end up making Ramza a Warrior with Dual Wield from Ninja and Ignore Height from Dragoon, then give him an excalibur for +Haste and just go and woop on people in no time.

FF Tactics enemies also level up with your characters so the game is continually challenging.

Actually, I could usually get one battle done over the course of a 15 minute break. But then I got stuck on the map with the guillotine, and that battle's such bullshit that, when combined with all the other crap I hated (not seeing where exactly my units are going, waiting forever to input a command, random battles, isometric maps) made me stop playing the game. I tolerated that stuff to a point, but once I got stopped at that map, I pretty much had my full.

I'd give it a C, only because I'd like to think that buried somewhere in that whole mess is a compelling game.

[Emu]

That battle almost made me quit a few times. It's probably the second worst battle in the game after Velius. Holy shit I hate that one.

[Guitar Woman]

What didn't Oblivion do wrong?

I think my favorite bug is the one where if two people are attacking you at once and you surrender to one of them, they'll start fighting each other. I got the countess of Bravil locked in a life and death duel with her ladyservant

[Fathom Zero]

I HATE MGO.

FUCKING HATE>

[Emu]

Aww, sweetie, wanna talk about it?