Universal Health Care

[DougClayton4231]

So...why haven't we copied Canada's system yet? Our system is slow, expensive, and ineffective. Theirs is just slow. Food for thought.

[Tadao]

Many Canadians do not believe that. It's just better than ours currently, but it isn't the fucking godlike health care system people keep saying it is. Putting it way up there on a pedistal is the worst thing you can do for the people who need this free care.

[DougClayton4231]

All of my Canadian friends can get healthcare if they need it. I can't say the same for us. Nothing is flawless, but they have taken a step in the right direction.

[Tadao]

So you are saying we are not taking a step in the right direction?

[Colonel Flagg]

This tidbit is on a sideways topic, but it's barely relevant ....

I just heard about a Gulf War veteran locally who recently suffered a stroke. Not to put too fine a point on his situation, but he needs a lot of therapy - physical, fine and gross motor and speech - to go back to living a semblance of a normal life. Apparently his prognosis is good - if he can get the therapy he needs. Trouble is, the VA won't cover him, as the stroke was not a result of his tour of duty in Iraq. Local groups are holding fundraising efforts for his family to help them offset the cost of the therapies involved, which probably total upwards of 3-5 kilobucks per month (a guesstimate).

Does he need some health coverage?

[Zhukov]

I've been in hospital quite a lot of times and I always feel very, very grateful that myself or my family have never had to pay for the professional, extensive and pretty damn good care I have been given. :brag

[Fathom Zero]

All these panels... what is this, like a house or sumthin'?

:a-boooooooooooo

[Zhukov]

[Colonel Flagg]

But has it been there before now?

Answer: Yes.

So what's changed?

Answer: Nothing.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

But has it been there before now?

Yes,

but this is a new kind of panel designed for extreme austerity measures. We have to remember that these 11 government officials that sit on this new board probably get "donations" or promises of high paying jobs in the insurance industry if they do whatever they are told.

And even if that's not true, from what they have been doing and discussing doesn't give me a sense that the US population will be treated fairly at all.

Bailouts for the rich, corporations don't have to pay taxes, and you....you have to be rationed.

[Colonel Flagg]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Yes,

but this is a new kind of panel designed for extreme austerity measures. We have to remember that these 11 government officials that sit on this new board probably get "donations" or promises of high paying jobs in the insurance industry if they do whatever they are told.

And even if that's not true, from what they have been doing and discussing doesn't give me a sense that the US population will be treated fairly at all.

This is proof?

[Zhukov]

Rationing doesn't equal death. In fact, I'd say that rationing is a response to the prospect of death; a way to combat it. Food rationing prevents famine etc. The fact that there is rationing of health is a sad fact of capitalism rather than a malicious refusal of care with the sole intention of genocide against the American people.

Also, rationing, austerity, denial and death all mean different things. Strange that, isn't it?

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

Rationing doesn't equal death. In fact, I'd say that rationing is a response to the prospect of death; a way to combat it. Food rationing prevents famine etc. The fact that there is rationing of health is a sad fact of capitalism rather than a malicious refusal of care with the sole intention of genocide against the American people.

You're a communist and you're defending the for profit insurance companies? Shouldn't you be on the side of the people and demand NO rationing which if unchallenged may lead to needless deaths as TheLeader has stated previously.

[Zhukov]

Originally Posted by Cool and the Gang

You're a communist and your defending

How could you make this mistake...?


As for your question, I don't know where you got the idea that I was defending insurance companies or arguing for the rationing of health care. Go on, quote me.

Originally Posted by Me

The fact that there is rationing of health is a sad fact of capitalism rather than a malicious refusal of care with the sole intention of genocide against the American people.

It's just that what you believe; "malicious refusal of care...genocide..." is stupid.


That's what I have issues with: you being stupid.

[Zhukov]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

Rationing doesn't equal death. In fact, I'd say that rationing is a response to the prospect of death; a way to combat it. Food rationing prevents famine etc. The fact that there is rationing of health is a sad fact of capitalism rather than a malicious refusal of care with the sole intention of genocide against the American people.

How do you get that I am a defender of insurance companies, and FOR the rationing of health care from this quote?

[Dimnos]

[Dimnos]

I dont think he said anything about for profit insurance companies. Just the rationing of health care. Which will happen no matter what. All the money in the world going to hospitals staffed with doctors who are all independently wealth and working for free out of the kindness of their hearts will still have their time and resources rationed. Fact of the matter is there is only so much money, doctors and medicine to go around and rationing will exist. If you want to buy into the political hoopla and do the very thing you yourself had been warning people not to do by demonize the newest version of the same old thing thus making yourself a gullible hypocrite... then fine do what ever the fuck makes you happy. But please PLEASE shut the fuck up about it already.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

As for your question, I don't know where you got the idea that I was defending insurance companies or arguing for the rationing of health care. Go on, quote me.

Originally Posted by Dimnos

I dont think he said anything about for profit insurance companies. Just the rationing of health care. Which will happen no matter what. .

If you guys don't get it by now this 11 person panel headed by Peter Orzsag, created through the Obama Healthcare bill will work to deny claims, ration care, to save the for-profit insurance companies money.

That's the whole entire point of the bill.....a bailout for the insurance companies.

[Zhukov]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

If you guys don't get it by now this 11 person panel headed by Peter Orzsag, created through the Obama Healthcare bill will work to deny claims, ration care, to save the for-profit insurance companies money.

That's the whole entire point of the bill.....a bailout for the insurance companies.

I don't care if it's a 5 billion person panel headed by The Wurzels and created to steal our eternal souls, how did I say that I was in defense of insurance companies or of the rationing of care? I didn't. If you are obviously wrong in an argument, you have the brilliant ability of simply shutting down and starting a new one up right over the top of the old one without a flinch.

Originally Posted by moi

The fact that there is rationing of health is a sad fact of capitalism rather than a malicious refusal of care with the sole intention of genocide against the American people.

Leads to

Originally Posted by cools

you're defending the for profit insurance companies?

?????

Rationing care is not genocide like you claim. It's a ridiculous thing to say and one that you should be embarrassed about, more so that you keep saying it. If you believe that saying it is not genocide, or that the panels created to ration health care are not set up to kill people, make one a 'defender of insurance companies', well you are about the same size idiot I thought you were.

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

If you guys don't get it by now this 11 person panel headed by Peter Orzsag, created through the Obama Healthcare bill will work to deny claims, ration care, to save the for-profit insurance companies money.

That's the whole entire point of the bill.....a bailout for the insurance companies.

Everyone knows that you silly sog. That's not what we have been debating with you. We have been debating your use of the terms "genocide" and "death panel" as the first has been used wrongly by you as you yourself demonstrated (but don't realize) and the second is misleading. Terminology and the extremely paranoid world view that you seem to be promoting is what is being questioned, not that this bill does almost nothing but give insurance companies money.

BUT YOU WON'T UNDERSTAND THIS POST ANYWAY SO LETS MAKE FUN OF YOU MORE

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

Everyone knows that you silly sog. That's not what we have been debating with you. We have been debating your use of the terms "genocide" and "death panel" .

So it's both now?

Ok,

There is a death panel of 11 government officials who will ration the US populations care. Which will lead to more needless deaths similar to the private death boards run by major insurance companies.

This will be mandated by law though to give the insurance company the legal authorization to deny care.

They are denying care to a specific population. In this case the US population. Which would support my point of using the term "Genocide".

Don't know how many times I have to repeat it. (here comes another warning from Tadao! )

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by The Leader

Everyone knows that you silly sog. That's not what we have been debating with you. We have been debating your use of the terms "genocide" and "death panel" as the first has been used wrongly by you as you yourself demonstrated (but don't realize) and the second is misleading. Terminology and the extremely paranoid world view that you seem to be promoting is what is being questioned, not that this bill does almost nothing but give insurance companies money.

BUT YOU WON'T UNDERSTAND THIS POST ANYWAY SO LETS MAKE FUN OF YOU MORE

[Zhukov]

The Leader why do you think that the insurance companies are in the business of making money, not for providing health care? I can't believe you didn't know this.

Also, isn't just a little bit too convenient that the president of the "United States" has had direct dealings with not only Peter Olzslagzd, but the CIA as well?

Just something to think about.

[Dimnos]

I have the solution for you Coolie. Go suck Peter Orzsags dick. He is sure to give you the coverage you need then.

Orzsag... Win. Coolie... Win. People of IMockery... Win.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

........

I'm going to make new thread in the video game forum.

blah.