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TheCoolinator · #1

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Originally Posted by Zhukov

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They'll probably do that too and just blame it on a nameless "terrorists". The health rationing is much easier because people have been trained to just blame a persons lifestyle on their disease and move on. They won't question why they were denied care. They'll just say something similar to......

"Oh, he got brain tumors cause he talked on the phone too much"

"Oh, he got cancer cause he smoked"

"Oh, she got pancreatic cancer because she drank too much soda"

They rationalize the death, are happy its not them, and move on. Kind of like when an animal gets killed. The whole flock runs away and leaves the one animal to get eaten. They don't think about it after. They just go about there business. It didn't happen to me, why should I care?

Zhukov · #2

Rationing health care is not easier than rounding people up and gassing them. The Nazis killed millions and millions of people in a few short years, and only stopped because they lost a war. Why not gas people instead of ration their health care and wait for them to die from disease or injury?

Furthermore, the death rates attributed to 'lack of health care'; where someone could have been saved had they gotten proper treatment, are so far behind the birth rate that it should not be even slightly taken in to consideration. In the US or any other country. The amount of people dying from preventative illness doesn't slow down the amount of people being born into this world every year. It's hardly effectively culling the population if more people are born than die.

TheCoolinator · #3

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Originally Posted by Zhukov

Rationing health care is not easier than rounding people up and gassing them. The Nazis killed millions and millions of people in a few short years, and only stopped because they lost a war. Why not gas people instead of ration their health care and wait for them to die from disease or injury?

Let me first start out by saying this is all hypothetical. I don't know if they are really trying to kill us. It certainly looks that way but who knows.

We all know now there are Death panels in the new obama healthcare bill. This has been proven time and time again and it will be focused directly at the US population.

But since we are on this speculative train let me just say that the combination of tainted food, rationing of care, toxic medicine, and environmental pollution will probably out do Stalin and Hitler in the murder department.

That's just my opinion though. You have to remember that the USA is the most sickest nation in the world. Also, the US government / Corporations can go around machine gunning people. That might actually wake people up to what is going on. They need to do it incrementally. Very slowly so no one notices.

Dimnos · #4

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Originally Posted by Zhukov

Rationing health care is not easier than rounding people up and gassing them. The Nazis killed millions and millions of people in a few short years, and only stopped because they lost a war. Why not gas people instead of ration their health care and wait for them to die from disease or injury.

Or hell they could start some dummy corporation that then "accidentally" has a chemical spill of something much more toxic than fluoride. Kill off thousands of people before anyone finds out. Then just blame the dummy company that then closes. That way the government doesnt even have to worry about taking the heat for it. Or they could sabotage a few nuclear power stations and basically have an American Chernobyl. Or or or... They could just reinstate the draft and send us all off to Iran or some shit and get us killed WHILE we are killing others.

kahljorn · #5

as far as age demographics go we are fucked anyway, from what i understand :O Soon there will be more old people and children then there will be working age adult + a large portion of the elderly population (baby boomers) will start to die. also its almost to the point that the amount of people born don't replace the amount of people that die.

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The health rationing is much easier because people have been trained to just blame a persons lifestyle on their disease and move on. They won't question why they were denied care. They'll just say something similar to......

uh, nobody deserves or has a right to care, so they weren't really denied it in that sense. Also, they aren't being denied care; the insurance company just won't cover the payment for the care that they could otherwise receive if it were necessary.
also haven't you been saying how important "preventative medicine" is i.e. eating healthy / having a good lifestyle? Maybe people should like, i dunno, be healthier? Stop eating crap? Where does personal accountability come into this?

Do you want to have to pay for people's fat reduction surgeries/liver transplants because they are alcoholics/abortions? Do you think these people should take financial precedence for their care over people who have, for example, gun shot wounds, cancer from asbestos or other diseases which were not self-inflicted? Because ultimately that is what you are saying unless you believe there is infinite money.

I guess that is THE MOSt impoRtANT QUEStiON FOR COOLIE TO ANSWer: COOLIE DO YOU THINk tHAT THERE IS INFINITE MONEY AVAILABLE To FIX EVErONE

Also you have to keep in mind that this bill is being made in AMERICA so it has to satisfy many different interests. Not just yours and a few other people. In other words, while it has to cater to idiots like you who think everything should be covered because they are stupid and don't use their brain and think money miraculously appears (Interesting that a guy who complains about the amount of money being spent also says we should have MORE COVERAGE: MORE COVERAGE=MORE MONEY=YOUBITCHING MORE. Just can't win with you) it also has to cater to persons who believe that they shouldn't have to pay for their drug addict sisters abortion, rehab, methadone treatments and std medicines.

You don't even have a clear political stance, it's like you don't even recognize that there are problems in the WORLD which society is trying to respond to

TheCoolinator · #6

Still don't understand why everyone is so hostile. Its all out in the open. You guys make it sound like some kind of shadowy conspiracy.

RaNkeri · #7

If it's all out in the open, then why don't you move away or overthrow the government if it is trying to kill you?
Why has there been no news of death panels butchering people?

Zhukov · #8

Why did you link to a video pouting 'Aha, I think this video will answer all your questions!' and then later say 'Oh, erm, it's all speculation at the moment... it's hypothetical'?

Why?

TheCoolinator · #9

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Originally Posted by Zhukov

Why did you link to a video pouting 'Aha, I think this video will answer all your questions!' and then later say 'Oh, erm, it's all speculation at the moment... it's hypothetical'?

Why?

The video explained the ruling class ideology and why death panels are not shunned. In a normal society death panels would be out of the question but since there is an oligarchy at the top those death panels are condoned.

Zhukov · #10

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Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

The video explained the ruling class ideology and why death panels are not shunned. In a normal society death panels would be out of the question but since there is an oligarchy at the top those death panels are condoned.

Normal society? The guy says that the oligarchs are always in charge. How is anything else normal?

Ugh. I think you've missed the hype of your own insane beliefs. The "death panels" are going on because of the "ruling class ideology", but the ruling class ideology is that the rich should cull the poor, hence "death panels" to do it. Why am I explaining your own conspiracy theories to you?

TheCoolinator · #11

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Originally Posted by Zhukov

Normal society? The guy says that the oligarchs are always in charge. How is anything else normal?

Ugh. I think you've missed the hype of your own insane beliefs. The "death panels" are going on because of the "ruling class ideology", but the ruling class ideology is that the rich should cull the poor, hence "death panels" to do it. Why am I explaining your own conspiracy theories to you?

No,

The heart of the matter is that the insurance companies gambled on derivatives on wallstreet, lost, and now have to be bailed out. The healthcare bill seeks to pay off their debt by forcing people to buy their "products". Another sneaky way they are attempting to save them cash while also destroying beneficial social safety nets would be to create the Rationing Board / Death panels. By doing so they can effectively deny care with a federal mandate and cut government benefits for the needy.

The video was just referencing some historical facts about oligarchs and how they always seek to brand normal people as an inferior species oppressing the breast of mother earth.

Dimnos · #12

And now he is asking where you stand on the issue.

TheCoolinator · #13

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And now he is asking where you stand on the issue.

It's irrelevant to the conversation. Many threads turn into a Q/A sessions based solely around me personally. Let's try not to let that happen. If I'm so popular then you guys can just PM me and I'll answer your question like I did when TheLeader PMed me a little while ago.

Zhukov · #14

Why not just answer here? IF you posted a video about the "oligarchy" in reply to something, then surely you believe it? Why reply with something that you don't believe in?

Ok, I'm done, you believe that nonsense so there's no point me going on about it.

The Leader · #15

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Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

It's irrelevant to the conversation. Many threads turn into a Q/A sessions based solely around me personally. Let's try not to let that happen. If I'm so popular then you guys can just PM me and I'll answer your question like I did when TheLeader PMed me a little while ago.

You never answered my question about whether or not you or someone you knew had Aspergers.

Chojin · #16

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You never answered my question about whether or not you or someone you knew had Aspergers.

I'm pretty sure it's a given that he's got the asspies.

Dimnos · #17

If you dont want to get involved then dont get involved.

Colonel Flagg · #18

Geeez. A whole page devoted to ..... nothing.

Jerry Seinfeld would be proud.

The Leader · #19

I've asked him a couple times and he never responds. When I pm'ed him about it he thought I was mad at him for something and I was trying to insult him.

Coolie, I just want to know.