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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 07:46 AM       
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 09:38 AM       
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You don't trust "Nature's own medicines"? Where do you think modern day medicine comes from? Where do you think they get the medicine FROM? The source? Almost all medicines come from substances that are within plants, and sometimes animals. Do you think they just get medicine from their assholes or something? The chemicals come from SOMEWHERE(because for some reason in this magical realm we can't suddenly summon them from nowhere) and that somewhere just so happens to be plants 80% of the time.

How do you think they treated illness before modern medicine?
Let me put it to you in a very blunt way, at least 80% of the medicines that are currently on the market are derived from plant sources. Plants actually have chemicals and 'Medicines' inside of them. Did you know morphine comes from a plant? How about penicillin(it grows on a plant, anyhow)? you're so stupid it makes me laugh. Seriously do some research or something and you'll find that herbs actually have chemicals inside of them that are extremely similar to the chemicals used by modern day medicine. I could probably sit here and name shit that modern medicine has derived from plant sources, and I'm sure other people could weigh in a few things as well.
Also, the basic knowledge of all medical science comes from knowledge obtained from experiments with Plants and herbal medicines that was used for thousands of years, and recently carried over to Modern day medicine. Essentially what I'm saying is that most of our current medical knowledge is derived from past medical knowledge. Imagine that idea, huh?
Also every civilized country in the world used to use the medical system I'm talking about(most of them still do). Including the greeks, romans, chinese, indian, egyptian, native american, etc. etc.
By the way, the only thing our medicinal system has really "Won" against is infections, and that was derived from a plant source.

Plants have a very real effect, if you don't believe me try smoking pot or eatting a Datura plant(how about peyote or any of the other psychoactive plants?), you'll believe me after that. It's not meant to be used as a cure all, just like how taking insulin everyday for the rest of your life isn't going to cure you of diabetes. It's supposed to help you be HEALTHIER, and/or HEALTHY.
The herb I suggested has been used for literally THOUSANDS of years to treat diabetes, and you trust something that has been used for what, 50? I'm not suggesting you stop taking your insulin, rather that you try taking this "Herb" and see what type of physical effects it has on your blood sugar level. I'm not telling you to believe blindly, rather that you try it for yourself. If you find a decent indian/herbal store it'd probably cost you like 5 dollars at most for a bottle of them. You pay 20-50 dollars for insulin, right? Maybe more?

And what the fuck, why would your diabetes nurse know about it? You think because they are nurses and doctors they know everything? If doctors knew everything, you dirty cocksucker, you wouldn't have diabetes.
Why don't you ask your doctor, but don't stop there, ask alot of doctors(because contrary to popular belief doctors actually have differing opinions). Then ask them about herbal medicine. I can already hear alot of their responses because I've already been through this process. That's right, I know and you assume.

As a final bit of knowledge, herbs are generally NOT AS STRONG as modern medicine, and thus, not as severe. This is probably where your idea that it doesn't work comes from. Herbs aren't supposed to cure you, neither is moder medicine. Draw some conclusions from that statement, because I don't feel like laying out the obvious right now.
I will say one thing though, everything you put into your body has an effect on your body, because it is your body's job to take substances from what you eat and put them into your body. That's how it sustains itself. So what happens when you stick in herbs that have chemicals in them? what about modern medicine?

Anyway, that's about all I wanted to weigh in. I was going to find government research sites but I don't really care anymore. I just hope you die a horrible diabetic death, maybe one where you lose all your limbs or something. No I'm just kidding that's horrible but I at least hope you're humbled in a painful way.
Well, sofar the inslulins I've used for these 15 years have always been synthetic(or how ever you write it). Don't know what kind of medicin's you yanks use

And why the fuck should I change my medication? I'm happy with the current way :D
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 10:02 AM       
I never got from kahl's response that you should CHANGE your medication. Just check it out and broaden your information scope.

Oh. You don't really need to quote the whole thing from the first page. The thread wasn't derailed. Yet.
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 10:25 AM       
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 01:31 PM       
"sofar the inslulins I've used for these 15 years have always been synthetic"

If I remember right insulin is derived from animals(like pigs and cows). I'm not sure how they make the dna identical ones. I said 80% of everything is made from plant sources. There's still a big 20% there(that means 1 in 5). Also, insulin is a chemical that is inside the body, so of course it would come from animals. It's like getting estrogen from a pregnant horse's pee(hence premarin).
I have no idea how they make DNA identical ones, it might be entirely synthetic, but generally people use something as a base when they are making medicine(I'm assuming people don't make something out of nothing, not only because of any chemical reasons but also because it would cost a ridiculous amount of money). Also, most of the information they have on the interactions of these medicines within the body comes from old medicine. It's not like I'm saying fuck all the new shit, because the new shit works(itll keep you alive, anyway). The point is the merger of the old with the new, because that is more complete.

Why make a thread about diabetes if you're not looking for advice? If your nurse knows everything, why do you need to ask stupid message board people? What was the point of this thread? So everyone will know you're diabetic? Is this a sob story? You're a dumb cunt, and I don't even know why I'm still responding to you.

DNA Synthesized insulin:
"The technology which made this approach possible was the development of recombinant DNA techniques. In simple terms, the human gene which codes for the insulin protein was cloned (copied) and then put inside of bacteria. A number of tricks were performed on this gene to make the bacteria want to use it to constantly make insulin. Big vats of bacteria now make tons of human insulin."
http://www.endocrineweb.com/diabetes/2insulin.html

Funny that it comes from bacteria(some people consider bacteria to be not unlike plants). Who knows how reliable the site i got it off of was, my computer's downloading too much shit to really search through sites, but it seems like a decent enough explanation.

The fact that I know more about diabetes than you do is an insult to the American health system.

Let me ask you a few questions, and if you respond to one thing respond to this and ignore the rest, do you expect the health system you're currently taking part in to cure you of diabetes? How long have you been diabetic and not been cured? Do you expect to be cured, or merely sustained? Sustanance is what western medicine is best at.

I can offer you suggestions that can SUPPOSEDLY stimulate the pancreas and can possibly make it work again. There are reported cases of it happening, but it is rare, and I personally don't know if I believe it. The secret is one that western medicine makes obvious but still manages to hide from people; the human body is more capable of healing the human body than anything else. Simple fact, look at any form of (successful) medicine and you'll notice it mostly involves sustaining the body long enough to heal itself. Medicine can't regenerate tissue(although it can stimulate the human response to doing so), only the human body can do so in an appropriate way. No doctor knows more about your body than your body knows about itself. That fact is inherent in the system.
By keeping the body as healthy as possible it is possible the human body will regenerate itself, and it usually does. For the most part, if you have a completely healthy body you are immune to disease and illness, because that is how illness' and diseases come about-- from unhealthy bodies. Look at type two diabetics, can't think of one of those guys who are healthy, and yet if they start living healthy they can extend their lives dramatically. Of course, for the most part it's harder to get rid of a disease than it is to get it, I think it's worth making a stretch for because at the very least your life will be extended.
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 01:40 PM       
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"sofar the inslulins I've used for these 15 years have always been synthetic"

If I remember right insulin is derived from animals(like pigs and cows). I'm not sure how they make the dna identical ones.
They USED that method. Almost all the new insulins are synthetic products. Or atleast the insulins of Novoped.

The first successful insulin preparations came from cows (and later pigs). The pancreatic islets and the insulin protein contained within them were isolated from animals slaughtered for food in a similar but more complex fashion than was used by our doctor and med-student duo. The bovine (cow) and porcine (pig) insulin were purified, bottled, and sold. Bovine and porcine insulin worked very well (and still do!) for the vast majority of patients, but some could develop an allergy or other types of reactions to the foreign protein (a foreign protein is a protein which is not native to humans). In the 1980's technology had advanced to the point where we could make human insulin. The advantage would be that human insulin would have a much lower chance of inducing a reaction because it is not a foreign protein (all humans have the exact same insulin, so we do not "see" this as a foreign protein). The technology which made this approach possible was the development of recombinant DNA techniques. In simple terms, the human gene which codes for the insulin protein was cloned (copied) and then put inside of bacteria. A number of tricks were performed on this gene to make the bacteria want to use it to constantly make insulin. Big vats of bacteria now make tons of human insulin. From this, pharmaceutical companies can isolate pure human insulin.
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 02:12 PM       
Jesus christ did you even read my post? Never mind, talking with you is like arguing with a pale of dirty water.

Big vats of bacteria now make tons of human insulin. From this, pharmaceutical companies can isolate pure human insulin.

I never even said this shit was current, but it still somehow fits into everything I've said. "Derived from plant sources" "Medicinal knowledge learned from plants and animals". I mean, all this shit has a simple explanation(mostly to do with the simplicity of taking things that are already made from a readily available source), and you can't seem to grasp it ;/
Just quit arguing it makes me sad that I know more about your disease than you do. Go eat some mcdonalds or something, you certainly have the mentality of someone who wants the chicken nuggets meal with a toy.

And how dare you have the audicity to try to correct me with a link I posted, while completely excusing the other portion of the post. You jackass.
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 03:34 PM       
Dude, why are you getting so pissed? It makes it look like your loosing an argue, that never should've even exist. And if you still haven't understood my point, i'll try to explain it once again.


I'm not saying the stuff wont work, I'm just saying that I do not trust this "indian crap" that novadays seems to be quite a hit in USA. By that I do not mean that it's stupid to use those products, in Finland, people just trust more on medicines made by pharmacists, not on products done by some-random-people-of-some-random-indian-tribe

And most of all, After succesfully using synthetic insulin for years, it's quite hard to just start using some "magic fruits" that I've never even heard about.

And yes, you might know more about Diabetes than me, I've only studied how to live a normal life as a diabetic. What would I do with the information of "What bacterias produce insulin" or some other crap like that. I only care about taking care of my diabetes and how to keep my bloodsugar ratings low.


And I'm sorry to say, but it's pretty easy to "know alot from diabetes" by just posting articles, that you've copied from internet :P . Maybe you could join me, so we both could go to have some McNuggets?
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 03:36 PM       
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Could you explain the word "deprived"? I can't find it from dictionaries

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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 04:03 PM       
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Why make a thread about diabetes if you're not looking for advice? If your nurse knows everything, why do you need to ask stupid message board people? What was the point of this thread? So everyone will know you're diabetic? Is this a sob story? You're a dumb cunt, and I don't even know why I'm still responding to you.
Oh, I forgot to answer to this one.

Well, you idiot. Take a look at part of my first post:

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But yeah, let me know, does any of you guys, or someone who you know, have diabetes?
I NEVER asked for any advice from you guys, nor made this thread just to show off that I'm a diabetic. I only wanted to know if someone of you guys, or a person you know have diabetes.

Fuck, why would I ask for information from people like you, who think that you can actually cure your diabetes by eating herbs? You really made my day

And as for your girlfriend who has type1, well, I can only be sorry for her, if she actually listens to your advices. I reall doubt that your girlfriend has survived only because of some herbs and your advices.

Did you saved her from that diabetic coma by stuffing plants on her mouth? If you really continue that way, you should buy a coffin for your future dead-girlfriend, or atleast a wheelchair, so she can move after she has lost her leg.


EDIT: But yeah, let's stop arguing in this thread, since we've gotten quite sidetracked now. If you want to discuss more, feel free to send me a PM.
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 04:06 PM       
that was uncalled for and i am offended

RESPONSE TO EDIT okay how the hell can a thread like this get sidetracked? I HAVE AIDS WOAH SHIT I KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS AIDS YOU'RE DUMB SHUT UP NO YOU SHUT UP YOU'RE O/T SRY
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 05:50 PM       
I've already said all that needs to be said, the fact that you can't understand or comprehend it doesn't deserve me repeating myself

But just so you know, I did mention countless times that I don't reccomend you or anybody else to stop taking something that sustains them. Nobody would be that stupid, use your fucking brain. You look ridiculous.

Reread what I said or not, I don't care.

Actually, just this though because it was at the bottom of the first post I made in this thread:

None of that is telling you to stop taking your insulin. Don't, under any condition, do that. However, I think it would be interesting to see what happens if you tried them and tested your blood as well. My girlfriend doesn't do that. Let me know if you try either of those, i could find some other stuff to try.

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Old Apr 11th, 2006, 05:28 PM       
I'm going to respond some more here because I'm bored.

"people just trust more on medicines made by pharmacists, not on products done by some-random-people-of-some-random-indian-tribe "

This part was the funniest. We've already made that mistake 500 years ago when america was "Discovered", my friend. We don't need to do it again.
By the way do you know why Christopher Columbus was looking to find a short path to india?
Herbs and spices. Shazam.

"but it's pretty easy to "know alot from diabetes" by just posting articles"
Yea it is, pretty sad that I know more than you about it when all you have to do is type Diabetes into a search engine. All in all, it's pretty easy to learn/know anything. There's books about everything, and I can't think of very many people who learn things without referance(hence places like libraries and bookstores). That's what the education system is based on. The fact of the matter is I make an effort to learn, and you stay stupid. There's at least some distinction there.

"I only care about taking care of my diabetes and how to keep my bloodsugar ratings low. "
That's what fenugreek does, dumbass.

"I reall doubt that your girlfriend has survived only because of some herbs and your advices. "

If you paid attention to anything I said or knew anything about herbal medicine and complimentary medicine you'd know that I was suggesting using Fenugreek as a supplement, not as a cure all. As I mentioned before, there is no cure all, only sustanance.
What I was saying is basically this: KEEP USING YOUR INSULIN BECAUSE IT KEEPS YOU ALIVE(hence all my talk of sustanance) USE FENUGREEK AS A SUPPLEMENT LIKE A VITAMIN OR SOMETHING OKAY DUMMY FACE? It HELPS to keep your body healthy, it doesn't cure you of all illnesses.
For your information, my girlfriend takes insulin twice a day. Also it wasn't my advice, it's a fucking herb. i didn't create it. We discovered that it's good for diabetics together, and I was just passing on the information to you like she would do if she were having a conversation with you.
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