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Why wade through the legal labyrinth of changing all the laws that pertain to married couples to also cover same-sex unions when merely changing the marriage law itself would take care of the problem?
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I don't know, because it would be more fair and correct? Do you really have to change every law..?
and no offense but enough time has been spent arguing this legalizing it delegalizing it etc. that i think finding an actual solution and investing some effort into it might be worthwhile. Expedience
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And is it so bad that single women have chosen to have babies on their own without the social pressure of marriage?
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Well, yes. For the most part the most abuse occurs among co-habitating adults. Short-term relationships are usually worse than that. Children also have less of a stable relationship to look up to and form values based on. There's a lot of other problems associated with being born into a household without both parents.
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Isn't this a matter of changing perceptions regarding marriage allowing individuals to make their own choices on their own terms without being ostracized?
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I don't know isn't law about limiting people's freedoms to some extent so that society can function more evenly and fairly? Isn't it accepted to some degree that people don't have the right to make certain choices/?
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And you have every right to marry a man (I assume you are a man) in the state of Massachusetts, so what would you care if I took away your right to marry a woman?
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This is a good response. The only problem is that you could only bring this up if I complained that the rights aren't equal. Which I haven't done. Instead, I've been bringing up reasons why gays shouldn't be allowed to get married.
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If a person's marriage was so weak to begin with that a gay or interracial couple getting married destroyed it, then perhaps that person wasn't meant for marriage to begin with.
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It's not just about divorce but about the value they attach to their marriage. And it's not just about their marriage, either, it's about the institution of marriage -- which they just happen to be a part of. In effect I think they take it as a type of mockery of their own marriage. Most people don't like it when other people mock things which they hold dear.
In i n truth, it's exclusivity may have a large part to do with their feelings on the issue. Do you want to be part of a club that lets everybody in and has no restrictions? And the value society places on it, as well; they think that it shows society holds less of a regard for it. And thus their marriage, which maybe makes them feel bad about themselves.
I don't really know if marriage is necessarily about people loving each other and being together. If so, a lot of people would never marry. Maybe part of the reason why we should keep the institution of marriage as cohesive as possible is so that the less stable elements in society will still have something to come together for.
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There's a huge difference between rape and murder and consensual sex between adults.
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We're talking about humans but ok. Regardless, a reason dimnos had (who i was talking to and you are taking this out of context) was that we should let gay people do whatever they want and mind their own business because it's not harming us. I think. That should be pretty close and at the least is charitable.
The fact is, one of the main concerns regarding this is that it is harming some people. And there are a lot of victimless or harmless things which we would consider wrong. That is not a reliable method for determining right and wrong ;/
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I'm quite sure it doesn't. Unless you want to start quote mining from the Old Testament, which as I recall, also prohibits the consumption of pork and shellfish. Do you want to cast lobstermen out of society and/or kill the fuck out them too?
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Well the typically quoted verses like this are in deutoronomy and romans i think. the one about lying with men lying with men and dressing like a woman or having sex with an animal being bad is towards the end of it ;o i think the other one is romans
but yea shellfish can make you sick and pork gives you worms.
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By that reasoning we should demolish the Buddhist temples for idolatry. Do you think that is a good idea?
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Maybe. But anyway, he was saying that sin is between man and god, and that humans have no right to intervene or pass judgment. Which is clearly ridiculous. I was presenting a moral imperative related to the example I previously used. There's another similar argument he made, too, like the thing about not interfering when you think something is wrong. Sometimes we have to stop wrongs in order to be right