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Originally Posted by ziggytrix
There is a huge fucking gap between "bending over backwards to give the benefit of doubt" and "calling Pharoah the bigoted shithead he is".
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I! think that Scru and others were! doing more than just calling out reactionary Pharaoh!!!!
I think if Christians were doing this (see classic abortion clinic cliche below), you guys would be jumping up and down like Pharaoh is!!!!
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I find it curious that people think "sensible Muslims keep quiet" when first of all, we can't count the inaction of anyone under a despotic regime as indicative of their true beliefs. And secondly, in free countries people saying "hey, be reasonable!" don't garner media attention. So even if someone is speaking out, who's to say anyone is particularly listening?
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To my understanding, the little demonstrations are also occurring in Europe, so that point isn't entirely relevant. However, I think you're right about the contrived outrage of muslims in Islamic/state controlled countries. But if we're to assume that these "outraged" people are merely props of the state, why should we care about their reaction at all? That would be like defending the faux protestors who Clear Channel paid to counter-protest anti-war shit.
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I never heard a big Christian outcry against abortion clinic bombers. Does that mean no sensible Christian ever spoke against that atrocious behavior? I can't even imagine that's true!
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There's a big difference, aside from being wrong about the outcry. Not only did Christians denounce the actions, but
leaders of the respective denominations came out and publicly denounced it.
And yes, some
prominent muslims have denounced the protests and threats. But the stark contrast i see is that the governements in this region, like Jordan, are actually stepping in and censoring this. They're punishing people who publish these cartoons.
I guess my take on it is if you can't laugh at yourself, even just a little bit, than you haven't evolved much culturally or religiously. All the threats of violence and stuff, well, whatever. i think those are probably a small % of muslims, yet that hasn't stopped these governments from stepping in and totally overreacting.