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[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

You don't hear about this in the news, but American soldiers actually train in Israel as part of their training. Not just training, but their training includes serving as a front line soldier. So America sends soldiers to kill Palestinians, basically.

See,

This is the big farce we've been discussing here.

We talk about "terrorism" and "terrorists" like theres actually this underground threat to civilized humanity while all the while we (The civilized nations) are bombing innocents, bulldozing their houses, provoking confrontations with disenfranchised individuals, and manipulating information to condition our own populations to believe it's a "JUST" war.

I call bullshit.

[Zhukov]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

See,

This is the big farce we've been discussing here.

We talk about "terrorism" and "terrorists" like theres actually this underground threat to civilized humanity while all the while we (The civilized nations) are bombing innocents, bulldozing their houses, provoking confrontations with disenfranchised individuals, and manipulating information to condition our own populations to believe it's a "JUST" war.

I call bullshit.

Exactly. During the Tasmanian war the Australian government pumped millions not only into the Commonwealth military, but also into paramilitary groups whose sole purpose seemed to be the terrorising of the population. There was a scandal not long ago when the information finally got out, but people on the mainland didn't seem to care. It's just because we lost that we don't get to write the history books, and we were seen as the terrorists back then simply because we didn't have the funds to buy tanks and planes.

But you tell me, who is the terrorist if one side is shooting soldiers and the other side is shooting civilians?

[The Leader]

Dude, I've already posted that terrorism is carried out by non state actors while state terror is the equivalent when carried out by a recognized government.

[The Leader]

Terrorist isn't a bad word. You have to get away from that stigma.

[Zhukov]

You just say that because you've never had to have your family gunned down with your eyes.

[Zhukov]

You tell me that when you have an Israeli soldier literally gutting your new born baby inside your own home. THEN we will see if you think that.

[The Leader]

It'd be an act of state terror. You become retarded too?

[Zhukov]

When negotiating broke down in the mid 70s, Australia didn't hesitate to send in an overwhelming amount of military might to crush any resistance to the Crown. an OVERWHELMING amount. By anyones standards it was overkill. Tasmanians are still considered second class citizens, and it's very expensive to get a job nowadays. You might think that just because we are fighting without the recognition of the US (don't even get me STARTED on their involvement or how they are the real terrorists) that we are the terrorists. But you tell me, who are the terrorists when children are born in a supposedly first world country that literally cannot speak for the first months of their life because of Mainland sanctions against pregnant women.

Also, yes

[Dimnos]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

But you tell me, who are the terrorists when children are born in a supposedly first world country that literally cannot speak for the first months of their life because of Mainland sanctions against pregnant women.

What?

[Zhukov]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

What?

I know, it's horrible. Basically they make all milk imported into the state extremely cheap, and all milk production here is either shut down, or crippled to a point where it can't function. This means that all mothers feed their children with government supplied milk. Milk that has less vitamins, minerals and calcium, while having more chemicals such as ammonium and fluoride.

[Dimnos]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

I know, it's horrible. Basically they make all milk imported into the state extremely cheap, and all milk production here is either shut down, or crippled to a point where it can't function. This means that all mothers feed their children with government supplied milk. Milk that has less vitamins, minerals and calcium, while having more chemicals such as ammonium and fluoride.

Breast feed? Do they not sell Similac there? By here do you just mean Tasmania or all of Australia too?

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

while having more chemicals such as ammonium and fluoride.

I'm glad to see someone else knows about the dangers of fluoride. Here in the states peoples have been indoctrinated to believe it's actually good for them.

[Dimnos]

And what Tasmanian war are you talking about? I only did a little looking around but the last war I was able to find involving Tasmania was "The Black War" where a bunch of Aborigines got killed. Sad story and all but thats not what your talking about is it?

And in what way are Tasmanians second class citizens? I didnt know you guys had it so bad.

[Zhukov]

Well you wont find anything on wikipedia or anything like that because it's all been removed. As you might know the Australian government controls the internet much like China does, so it's hard for a local person to set up a website about our history without coming to the attention of the authorities. So, no, our struggle isn't as widely known about as say the Palestinians or Irish.

Now, I am not saying that it's all bad, and that living here is comparable to living in Gaza or something, but you can certainly see the difference in living standards of those deemed mainlanders, and those deemed islanders. The government has extra taxes for Tasmanian businesses, which makes it hard to set one up in the first place, and all other Mainland run businesses will basically only choose local workers if they are given no other choice. We are paid less, receive less pensions, and usually have to pay more for rates. Mainlanders move here because there is a lot of cheap, fertile land, and they are given financial help to do so. It's too expensive for a local to own a house, so most people (I know someone that has a house, despite the cost and the lack of being able to loan from the bank) just rent from Mainland landlords.

That's not even starting on the unofficial harassment by groups of Mainlanders that can basically get away with beating you up, smashing your windows, and setting fire to your car. The police look the other way for them, but come down hard on Tasmanian kids spray painting anti-mainland slogans on walls.

[Ant10708]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

So, no, our struggle isn't as widely known about as say the Palestinians or Irish.

You guys need to start blowing some civilians up if you want to get noticed in today's world.

[Dimnos]

So what defines you as an islander opposed to a mainlander? Where you were born? How does anyone know without look at your records? Do you have to show that to people to get a job?

About the war still... Is it called "The Tasmanian War"? What year(s)?

[Zhukov]

There are slight differences in the accent, but yes, it's your records that show you for who you are. You can't get a job without showing them. It used to be just 'place of birth' that would give you away, but now that so many Mainlanders are having children here it became hazy. Now it's just the supposedly 'random' numbers on your passport.

As for in day to day life, well it's only the accent that gives you away.

The 'war', to us it's called the Independence Struggle, to them it's the Tasmanian Rebellion. 1976-1987.

[The Leader]

I do understand your mistake though. It's not like those posts completely contradicted everything else that I have been writing in this thread, and they totally don't go against everything that I personally believe. And you can't really expect to find satire on a site with mockery in its name, so I totally understand where you're coming from.

Here's an idea, because you're so conscious about the plight of Tasmania, why don't you do some volunteer work to help save the Tasmanian tiger? Oh wait, too late. They're all dead. Way to fuck that one up, white man. Yeah, go cry about Australia abusing you, you can't even keep a fucking animal from going extinct. And your fight for independence is sooo much more important that the europeanization and genocide of aboriginals. You ignorant fuck, you thought you knew suffering?

[Dimnos]

Aborigines: Modernize or perish.

[Zhukov]

This is bullshit. You don't even know what you are talking about yet you think you can comment on an event and it's aftermath that you don't even know about. Rebel groups LIVE and TRAIN alongside aboriginals in the bush. We live off the land and are it's protectors, while the government just looks to exploit it.

[The Leader]

YOU ARE A LIAR AND A HYPOCRITE

WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE OF THIS? NONE. ANY PEER REVIEWED ARTICLES? ANY DOCUMENTARIES? NO.

[The Leader]

Everything you are talking about is the white man's fault and you are a white man. So why don't you just take your mayonnaise and go back to Britain?

[Zhukov]

Yeah, nice arguing. I can see why The Coolinator gets so infuriated with you. First of all I don't know if you have seen any photos I have posted here, but I am not a 'white man'. That is part of the institutionalised harassment; my people and I are slightly darker skinned than that of regular Australians. This is because of our stronger connections to The Land and our history of inter-species relationships with aborigines that dates back for thousands of years.

As far as evidence is concerned, I can't provide you with any solid facts, like I said, the internet here is basically owned by the government. If you had to live with anything like that then maybe you would know what I am talking about, so I can't provide you with science or theories. If that doesn't suit your right wing agenda then tough. This is the real world and I can't provide links all the time, only the truth and conviction in what I am saying.

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

First of all I don't know if you have seen any photos I have posted here, but I am not a 'white man'. That is part of the institutionalised harassment; my people and I are slightly darker skinned than that of regular Australians.

So are Spaniards but that doesn't stop them from oppressing Equatorial Guinea.

Originally Posted by Zhukov

As far as evidence is concerned, I can't provide you with any solid facts, like I said, the internet here is basically owned by the government. If you had to live with anything like that then maybe you would know what I am talking about, so I can't provide you with science or theories. If that doesn't suit your right wing agenda then tough. This is the real world and I can't provide links all the time, only the truth and conviction in what I am saying.

Bullshit, you can't provide evidence because you are just trying to dodge the fact that you have completely destroyed Tasmania's eco system and forced the aboriginals off of their native lands. You are the oppressors, not the oppressed.

[Dimnos]

Originally Posted by The Leader

Bullshit, you can't provide evidence because you are just trying to dodge the fact that you have completely destroyed Tasmania's eco system and forced the aboriginals off of their native lands. You are the oppressors, not the oppressed.

Actually the British did that back in the 1800s.